CraigC
Sixgun Nut
The .45Colt doesn't outrun the .44Mag until you get to 50,000psi.
No need for QuickLoad, we have actual data and actual testing, from actual guns.Let me run QuickLoad on that....
Meanwhile for entertainment....
http://www.sixguns.com/range/beyondthe44.htm
https://www.johnlinebaughcustomsixguns.com/writings
Far from it but this I do know. Dispense with the personal nonsense and post data, if you have it.Facts don’t matter. Craig knows everything.
The .45Colt doesn't outrun the .44Mag until you get to 50,000psi.
That's a snippet taken out of context. Yes, it is a fact but an irrelevant one. Why? Because the whole basis for "Ruger only" .45Colt loads is the fact that the guns are only 80% the strength of a comparable .44Mag. Namely, the large frame Ruger single action revolver. So while the above statement is technically true (obviously) it is also irrelevant for that reason. Which is why there is no 36,000psi .45Colt data. Only 30,000psi .45Colt data so that both operate at a 100% safety margin. In which case the .44Mag always maintains a ~100fps velocity advantage. Because that extra pressure is not for nothing. Comparing the .44Mag to the "Ruger only" .45Colt, they both essentially accomplish the same thing. What the .44 does with greater pressure, the .45 does with more powder.The 45 Colt will out run (go faster) than every 44 Mag load for equal pressures, equal bullet weights, same powder types. John Linebaugh wrote extensively about this fact.
Gee, I never read John Linebaugh's article before.
Where the above statement becomes relevant is in guns where they can both be run at the same pressure, which is the 50,000psi level. Which is what I said.
That just doesn't make sense from first principles.The .45Colt doesn't outrun the .44Mag until you get to 50,000psi.
No existing Marlin action is strong enough for the .454.What I really want is for Ruger to give me an 1895/336 in .454 that can also shoot the .45LC. I do not know if they can do that in the 1894 action due to the OAL of the .454?
That part is definitely debatable. Particularly considering the .44 tends to penetrate better.1. A 45 Colt bullet has less bore bearing surface than a same weight 44 Mag.
Pretty sure I said that the two achieve the same thing, the .44 with more pressure, the .45 with more powder.Then generally means the 45 can achieve the same velocity for given bullet weight as the 44 -- at a lower pressure.
3 crows, cowboy action loads will kill deer deader than Oswald. Keep your range sensible and place your shot.
3 Crows, when you made the exception of the Cowboy loads I took it to believe you thought they weren’t adequate. I wasn’t attacking you and if you took it that way I apologize. I should have used a smiley I guess
Just a note: I have been around since the first half of the previous century. Not trying to be snarky, but I can’t fathom why some are concerned that a weapon firing a bullet as big as their thumb would not be sufficient to down an animal not much larger than a big dog. I have killed deer, hogs, gators, and a wolf with .22 LR. Practice your shooting, and don’t worry a lot about the size of the lead. I carry a .380 auto for protection, and have been looked down upon for my lack of knowledge re: caliber effectiveness. That’s quite alright with me. I can put one of those little underpowered bullets in the eyeball or earhole of anyone who chooses to harm me or mine at intimate range. Merry Christmas and good hunting from an old fart.Have a SAA .45 Colt six shooter. I was thinking of augmenting it with a lever action rifle in the same caliber. Opinions of many are that in the pistol the .45 LC is not suitable for deer sized big game. What do you think about the same caliber in a rifle?
Probably the one that's larger in diameter but I'm only guessing. Who cares? Friction is not measurable and I seriously doubt it's going to be a factor worth considering. I have never exaggerated the difference the velocity makes in either direction. The .44 tends to penetrate better and IMHO, it's due to decreased friction. I think that is more significant than any variation in velocity.Suppose
44 Mag 250 grain Hornady XTP
45 Colt 250 grain Hornady XTP
Which bullet of the two will be longer, Craig?
Because it is longer, which one will have more friction traveling down the barrel?
Suppose
44 Mag 250 grain Hornady XTP
45 Colt 250 grain Hornady XTP
Which bullet of the two will be longer, Craig?
Because it is longer, which one will have more friction traveling down the barrel?