Ohio AR deer rifle caliber

[Dr T]

I have seen reports that a 460 S&W out of a 20" barrel (T/C Encore Katahdin barrel) and the 200 gr Hornady FTX would have a MV of ~2850 fps and ME of 3600 Ft-Lbs. Sighted in at 1" high at 100 yards, this would be a good 200 yard cartridge. However, it would kick just a bit and you would likely just want to use the standard peep sight on the barrel. This load has a reputation for trashing scopes.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

you didn't list them but ive killed stuff with the 50beowulf, 450 bushmaster and the 458socom and they all worked great. I prefer the 50 beo but that's just a personal preference. They all give similar results on game.

As I hunted deer this year in Ohio with my slug barrel mossberg 500, I was constantly thinking how I would rather be hunting with a rifle which I shoot better, is more accurate, and cheaper to practice with. After looking at several marlin and Rossi lever guns, I got the idea to try and find an AR upper which is Ohio deer season legal, rather than buy another rifle.

Legal deer hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.

A lot of these are rimmed calibers, and aside from 45 acp which I would consider marginal I've never heard of an AR upper in any of the other calibers. Which caliber would you chose for an AR upper for deer hunting if any? Ammo capacity is not much of a concern as only 3 rounds are allowed.

 

[bearcreek]

you didn't list them but ive killed stuff with the 50beowulf, 450 bushmaster and the 458socom and they all worked great. I prefer the 50 beo but that's just a personal preference. They all give similar results on game.

He didn't list them because they're not legal in a rifle for deer here. Pistols can be anything over .357 caliber that's straight wall, but rifles are limited to a specific list of calibers.

 

[Merle1]

being and Ohiohunter I ran out and got a 45-70 as soon as they legalized them and also have a 44 mag. IMO there is absolutely no reason for someone to run around with an AR to hunt deer. that just screams either your doing deer drives and want to sling bullets as fast as you can at a running deer or shoot more than one deer when you have a group come in and I think that's exactly why they wont legalize that 450 that is an AR. I also think that's why we are limited to PCR because they don't want guys with AR slinging lead all over the place.

Buy a 44, 45-70 or 444 marlin in a lever action and be done with it. Imo regular rifles are way more pleasing to carry hunting than some awkward AR platform.

And a lever gun can come pretty close to matching the speed of an AR. That argument does not hold up to reality.

 

[Axis II]

And a lever gun can come pretty close to matching the speed of an AR. That argument does not hold up to reality.

it does when you can get 30rd mags for an AR. I have sat in the middle of WNF and heard guys shoot 5-6 times. to me that means slug gun with an extended tube. people don't care about the law because most will never see a GW so let ohio allow AR-15 and see how many are walking around with 30rd mags.

 

[Merle1]

I think you missed the "limited to 3 rounds" part.

 

[Axis II]

I think you missed the "limited to 3 rounds" part.

oh I know ohio is a 3 round state but I can count on both hands a feet where ive seen a heard guys shoot more than 3 rounds. we have 1 GW per county and sometimes none per county so guys do what they want.

 

[bearcreek]

being and Ohiohunter I ran out and got a 45-70 as soon as they legalized them and also have a 44 mag. IMO there is absolutely no reason for someone to run around with an AR to hunt deer.

In my opinion there's absolutely no reason for someone to own an AK or carry a revolver for self defense. Thankfully, our firearms and hunting laws are not supposed to be based purely on someone's opinion about what someone else should own or use.

that just screams either your doing deer drives and want to sling bullets as fast as you can at a running deer or shoot more than one deer when you have a group come in and I think that's exactly why they wont legalize that 450 that is an AR. I also think that's why we are limited to PCR because they don't want guys with AR slinging lead all over the place.

Just to clarify a few things for those reading this who are not from Ohio. Deer drives are completely legal here. Shooting more than one deer before tagging the one before is illegal, although of course, not using an AR does not prevent it from happening regularly. AR pistols are completely legal in any caliber that is straight wall and .357" or larger, no minimum cartridge length. This would include calibers like .50 Beowulf, .45 ACP, 10 MM Auto and .450 Bushmaster. There is no magazine capacity limit for pistols. You can fill it to the brim. In rifle form, however, we are limited to a specific list of calibers, which has been listed here several times already. So, we can use a lever action chambered in 45-70, but not a single shot chambered in 30-30. We can use an AR15 rifle chambered in .45 ACP but not one chambered in 10 MM, but if it's a pistol 10 MM is fine. We can use a .44 Mag semi auto rifle but not a .357 SIG semi auto pistol. We could use a 9x18 Makarov in a pistol if someone made one with a 5 inch barrel.

Buy a 44, 45-70 or 444 marlin in a lever action and be done with it. Imo regular rifles are way more pleasing to carry hunting than some awkward AR platform.

IMO, you don't need a lever action for deer hunting. Why do you need to shoot a deer multiple times? Are you shooting at running deer? Are you shooting more than one before you tag the first? I use a single shot and it works just fine.

it does when you can get 30rd mags for an AR. I have sat in the middle of WNF and heard guys shoot 5-6 times. to me that means slug gun with an extended tube. people don't care about the law because most will never see a GW so let ohio allow AR-15 and see how many are walking around with 30rd mags.

I'm not aware of 30 round magazines being available for any of the AR cartridges that are legal in pistol form for deer here. Did I miss something?

 

[Axis II]

In my opinion there's absolutely no reason for someone to own an AK or carry a revolver for self defense. Thankfully, our firearms and hunting laws are not supposed to be based purely on someone's opinion about what someone else should own or use.
WHAT OTHER REASON DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO HUNT WITH AN AR THAT IS DESIGNED FOR DEFENSIVE PURPOSES AND TO HOLD HIGH CAPACITIES OF AMMO. I KNOW GUYS WHO LOVE A SEMI AUTO JUST FOR THE LET ME SHOOT AT RUNNING DEER OR MULTIPLE AT ONCE. I DONT HUNT WITH THEM ANYMORE.


Just to clarify a few things for those reading this who are not from Ohio. Deer drives are completely legal here. Shooting more than one deer before tagging the one before is illegal, although of course, not using an AR does not prevent it from happening regularly. AR pistols are completely legal in any caliber that is straight wall and .357" or larger, no minimum cartridge length. This would include calibers like .50 Beowulf, .45 ACP, 10 MM Auto and .450 Bushmaster. There is no magazine capacity limit for pistols. You can fill it to the brim. In rifle form, however, we are limited to a specific list of calibers, which has been listed here several times already. So, we can use a lever action chambered in 45-70, but not a single shot chambered in 30-30. We can use an AR15 rifle chambered in .45 ACP but not one chambered in 10 MM, but if it's a pistol 10 MM is fine. We can use a .44 Mag semi auto rifle but not a .357 SIG semi auto pistol. We could use a 9x18 Makarov in a pistol if someone made one with a 5 inch barrel.

I BEG TO DIFFER ON THE LOAD UP THE HANDGUN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. I KNOW A PISTOL HUNTER AND HE WAS TOLD BY A GW NO MORE THAN 3 ROUNDS. OHIO DID AWAY WITH THE PLUGS BECAUSE YOU CANT PLUG A LEVERGUN SO THEY JUST SCRATCHED THE IDEA. NO WHERE IN THE BOOK WHICH IS THE ONLY LEGAL THING THEY GIVE US ACCESS TO DOES IT SAY HANDGUNS ARE ALLOWED TO BE LOADED WITH 6 ROUNDS.


IMO, you don't need a lever action for deer hunting. Why do you need to shoot a deer multiple times? Are you shooting at running deer? Are you shooting more than one before you tag the first? I use a single shot and it works just fine.
I HAVE A SINGLE SHOT 45-70 AND 44MAG AND SEVERAL ML. I DIDNT IMPLY HE "NEEDED" A LEVER GUN BUT SEEING HOW HE WANTS AN AR PLATFORM I FIGURED HE WOULD LIKE MORE AMMO I DONT SHOOT AT RUNNING DEER ONLY MORONS DO THAT! THIS PUTS EVERYONE IN THE WOODS SAFETY IN JEOPORDY AND ALSO 99% OF THE TIME THE DEER RUNS OFF AND DIES BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO TRACK OR WONT. FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!


I'm not aware of 30 round magazines being available for any of the AR cartridges that are legal in pistol form for deer here. Did I miss something?

IM NOT AWARE OF ANY AR THAT CAN TAKE THE LEGAL CARTRIGES I THINK THATS BEEN TOUCHED ON UNLESS SOMEONE FABRICATES ONE. MY COMMENT ON THAT WAS BEING A PUBLIC LAND HUNTER OF OHIO AND ALSO BEING A MEMBER OF OHIOSPORTSMAN.COM MYSELF AND SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THAT SITE HAVE DEALT WITH PEOPLE WITH MORE THAN 3 ROUNDS IN THE GUN. I SEE NO REASON TO HUNT WITH AN AR UNLESS ITS AMMO CAPACITY OR THE I WANT TO LOOK LIKE A BADASS MENTALITY. NOT SAYING THATS THE OP'S INTENTION BUT HALF THE GUYS I RUN ACROSS JUST HAVE THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE.

In my opinion there's absolutely no reason for someone to own an AK or carry a revolver for self defense. Thankfully, our firearms and hunting laws are not supposed to be based purely on someone's opinion about what someone else should own or use.
WHAT OTHER REASON DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO HUNT WITH AN AR THAT IS DESIGNED FOR DEFENSIVE PURPOSES AND TO HOLD HIGH CAPACITIES OF AMMO. I KNOW GUYS WHO LOVE A SEMI AUTO JUST FOR THE LET ME SHOOT AT RUNNING DEER OR MULTIPLE AT ONCE. I DONT HUNT WITH THEM ANYMORE.


Just to clarify a few things for those reading this who are not from Ohio. Deer drives are completely legal here. Shooting more than one deer before tagging the one before is illegal, although of course, not using an AR does not prevent it from happening regularly. AR pistols are completely legal in any caliber that is straight wall and .357" or larger, no minimum cartridge length. This would include calibers like .50 Beowulf, .45 ACP, 10 MM Auto and .450 Bushmaster. There is no magazine capacity limit for pistols. You can fill it to the brim. In rifle form, however, we are limited to a specific list of calibers, which has been listed here several times already. So, we can use a lever action chambered in 45-70, but not a single shot chambered in 30-30. We can use an AR15 rifle chambered in .45 ACP but not one chambered in 10 MM, but if it's a pistol 10 MM is fine. We can use a .44 Mag semi auto rifle but not a .357 SIG semi auto pistol. We could use a 9x18 Makarov in a pistol if someone made one with a 5 inch barrel.

I BEG TO DIFFER ON THE LOAD UP THE HANDGUN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. I KNOW A PISTOL HUNTER AND HE WAS TOLD BY A GW NO MORE THAN 3 ROUNDS. OHIO DID AWAY WITH THE PLUGS BECAUSE YOU CANT PLUG A LEVERGUN SO THEY JUST SCRATCHED THE IDEA. NO WHERE IN THE BOOK WHICH IS THE ONLY LEGAL THING THEY GIVE US ACCESS TO DOES IT SAY HANDGUNS ARE ALLOWED TO BE LOADED WITH 6 ROUNDS.


IMO, you don't need a lever action for deer hunting. Why do you need to shoot a deer multiple times? Are you shooting at running deer? Are you shooting more than one before you tag the first? I use a single shot and it works just fine.
I HAVE A SINGLE SHOT 45-70 AND 44MAG AND SEVERAL ML. I DIDNT IMPLY HE "NEEDED" A LEVER GUN BUT SEEING HOW HE WANTS AN AR PLATFORM I FIGURED HE WOULD LIKE MORE AMMO I DONT SHOOT AT RUNNING DEER ONLY MORONS DO THAT! THIS PUTS EVERYONE IN THE WOODS SAFETY IN JEOPORDY AND ALSO 99% OF THE TIME THE DEER RUNS OFF AND DIES BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO TRACK OR WONT. FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!


I'm not aware of 30 round magazines being available for any of the AR cartridges that are legal in pistol form for deer here. Did I miss something?

 

[1stmarine]

Man have been using service rifles to hunt since the rifle was invented.
Musket, trapdoor, AR, AK, Garand, makes no difference.
The advantage of the AR is that gives someone the option to have a couple of uppers one for target and the other for hunting in a powerful cartrige w/o the need to buy more firearms. I see similar advantages with modular bolt action rifles and some take downs
some cheaper and some more complicated and involved.
Once the bullet strikes something it doesn't care from what firearm or cartrige it came from.
Everything starts and ends with a bullet. Hopefully a good one and well placed.
Anything else is pure preference and opinion.
I would say give the hunter whatever they feel better hunting with and are better with shooting. This will translate into better accuracy and faster more humane kills.

 

[horsey300]

Man have been using service rifles to hunt since the rifle was invented.
Musket, trapdoor, AR, AK, Garand, makes no difference.
The advantage of the AR is that gives someone the option to have a couple of uppers one for target and the other for hunting in a powerful cartrige w/o the need to buy more firearms. I see similar advantages with modular bolt action rifles and some take downs
some cheaper and some more complicated and involved.
Once the bullet strikes something it doesn't care from what firearm or cartrige it came from.
Everything starts and ends with a bullet. Hopefully a good one and well placed.
Anything else is pure preference and opinion.
I would say give the hunter whatever they feel better hunting with and are better with shooting. This will translate into better accuracy and faster more humane kills.

Until you knife the antelope that has 7 holes from jaw to gut cuz the dude was comfortable with his rifle loaded with .223 fmjs and equally comfortable dumping the Mag. I think Ohio (and many other states, but Ohio is the topic) could gain more ground with hunters if they held more apprentice hunter programs with "certified" hunters of experience helping newer less experienced hunters learn the ins and outs of field situations from district to district, then cartridge restrictions would be (arguably) less necessary. If my kids were hunting in Ohio next year, a .44 Mag would be just as "safe" in their hands as a .243 win. I think that the op should pick something he's comfortable with in a configuration Ohio allows. The aforementioned ruger deerfield would be a close fit I think. Ultimately, no matter what we all suggest or like or approve of, we won't be paying for the work to be done nor scheduling the practice time, nor taking the shot. It sounds like they've decided to keep their slug gun, which would suggest more of an aesthetic desire than a real use for a straight wall cartridge gun already in production, which is fine until it isn't.

 

[ScrapMetalSlug]

I think we have determined that with the current rules in Ohio there are not any reasonable AR options.

Actually, I was thinking about this thread while I was hunting today and would like to address some of the other comments about slinging lead and cheating the rules.

Here are some of my observations.

I grew up in Ohio and hunted Ohio. As an adult my nomadic lifestyle has allowed me to hunt all over a good portion of the country so I have seen how others states do it. This year, I was blessed enough to spend everyday of the short Ohio gun season out in the woods. I hunt public land in Wayne nf, and do not have access to any good private land.

There were several times I heard 5 or 6 shots which indicates someone not following the rules, I also heard 3 shots several times. Whether 3,5, or 50, poor shooting is poor shooting. I even saw a guy driving a 4 wheeler, and firing a round from the ridge tops to the hollers to try and bust deer out in Wayne nf this year. A shotgun slug has more than enough power to take a deer with one shot, but based on my observations most people do not shoot slug guns very well. In fact, I always hear the most lead slinging in shotgun only areas. Ohio is not the worst though, I hunted montezuma in NY one year, and opening day in the shotgun zone sounded like a civil war reenactment. There was a volley of fire as they were driving deer.

The appeal of rifles is their generally good sights or scopes, less recoil, and better accuracy than shotguns. NOT to just sling lead. With the caveat I know there's 200 yard slug guns like the savage or Ithaca deerslayer, but who hunts with a slug gun when the rules don't require it?

If there was something against the AR or semi-autos in general, there could always be a law like PA has where they ban semi-autos, but there isn't. The Ohio gun season is too short and the woods too crowded for me to buy another gun to use there, with limited utility in other places.

There has been some good discussion in this thread. I did not mean for it to sound like whining about the rules, because no one is making me hunt there. It is a choice. Ohio has a lot of nice deer, it is just more accommodating to bow and crossbow hunters.

I hope everyone had a good season.

 

[Axis II]

I think we have determined that with the current rules in Ohio there are not any reasonable AR options.

Actually, I was thinking about this thread while I was hunting today and would like to address some of the other comments about slinging lead and cheating the rules.

Here are some of my observations.

I grew up in Ohio and hunted Ohio. As an adult my nomadic lifestyle has allowed me to hunt all over a good portion of the country so I have seen how others states do it. This year, I was blessed enough to spend everyday of the short Ohio gun season out in the woods. I hunt public land in Wayne nf, and do not have access to any good private land.

There were several times I heard 5 or 6 shots which indicates someone not following the rules, I also heard 3 shots several times. Whether 3,5, or 50, poor shooting is poor shooting. I even saw a guy driving a 4 wheeler, and firing a round from the ridge tops to the hollers to try and bust deer out in Wayne nf this year. A shotgun slug has more than enough power to take a deer with one shot, but based on my observations most people do not shoot slug guns very well. In fact, I always hear the most lead slinging in shotgun only areas. Ohio is not the worst though, I hunted montezuma in NY one year, and opening day in the shotgun zone sounded like a civil war reenactment. There was a volley of fire as they were driving deer.

The appeal of rifles is their generally good sights or scopes, less recoil, and better accuracy than shotguns. NOT to just sling lead. With the caveat I know there's 200 yard slug guns like the savage or Ithaca deerslayer, but who hunts with a slug gun when the rules don't require it?

If there was something against the AR or semi-autos in general, there could always be a law like PA has where they ban semi-autos, but there isn't. The Ohio gun season is too short and the woods too crowded for me to buy another gun to use there, with limited utility in other places.

There has been some good discussion in this thread. I did not mean for it to sound like whining about the rules, because no one is making me hunt there. It is a choice. Ohio has a lot of nice deer, it is just more accommodating to bow and crossbow hunters.

I hope everyone had a good season.

please don't take my post as me insinuating you or others wanted to sling lead. I was just backing up my comment on why hunt with an AR platform. when they allowed rifles I dumped the mule kicking, sometimes not accurate, hard to shoot slug gun and went with 2 rifles with scopes. I just go based on the yahoos I hear around me and trust me you cant rack a lever or pump that fast. a few years ago I was playing the full auto vs semi auto game. and yes I did hear someone cut loose 4 years ago in WNF but on the private land with a fully auto weapon. it sounded like a machine gun or full auto m16 because it was about 30rds in a huge burst. immediately got the walki talki call *** was that! LOL.

all the guys at my hunt club and I hunt with that are AR guys use them because they cant hit squat the first time so I guess I got a bad taste from before.

 

[gotboostvr]

OhiHunter, I hunt private land a little south of WNF and even there some times we'll count 150+ shots heard in the two hours after first light on opening day.

Usually in bursts of 2-5 it seems.

Although on the other end, I know people up north that think nothing of picking deer off or of season while using a bottlenecked bolt-gun. That's not really what this discussion is about though.

 

[Axis II]

OhiHunter, I hunt private land a little south of WNF and even there some times we'll count 150+ shots heard in the two hours after first light on opening day.

Usually in bursts of 2-5 it seems.

Although on the other end, I know people up north that think nothing of picking deer off or of season while using a bottlenecked bolt-gun. That's not really what this discussion is about though.

yeah I get that I was just backing my statement of spray and pray. I hear it up north too but it seems like when I'm at Marietta wayne and no law is around for miles they do some crazy stuff. my point to my comment was the AR is a high capacity rifle not a hunting rifle and most my experience was they are using it for things illegal or unethical. guy told me he uses his 270 in Cambridge because hes never seen a warden in 50yrs. we get a lot of drivers up north and I could see it. guys with AR shooting a full mag at a deer. they already do 4-5 so why not more was my argument.

 

[crazysccrmd]

my point to my comment was the AR is a high capacity rifle not a hunting rifle and most my experience was they are using it for things illegal or unethical.

The AR is just as much a hunting rifle as any other semiauto, and more accurate than most wood and metal stocked semiauto hunting rifles. I've hunted with several different ARs in several different calibers and never once felt the uncontrollable urge to just start emptying magazines at animals.

 

[redneck2]

My AR in .358 WSSM holds five rounds. Never needed more than one. It has a Shilen Ultra-Match barrel. Shoots multiple groups of .4. Longest kill to date was a lasered 279 yards. I got it for two reasons. First, it was the easiest available and most accurate legal caliber at the time.

The other reason is just because I could. There's something quite satisfying about using that mean old EBR for a perfectly acceptable past time, in a unique situation.

Years ago I lived in central Michigan. Somebody next farm over had a five round semi. There were three different times that he did a mag dump. And all before legal shooting time. This was about forty years ago, long before AR's. First two were when it was still pitch dark.

I understand that there are always fools, no matter the firearm they are carrying. Just remember that, any time you blame the firearm rather than the guy operating it, you're doing the same thing the anti-gunners do. I don't remember anything in 2A that says "if you really need it"

 

[bearcreek]

IM NOT AWARE OF ANY AR THAT CAN TAKE THE LEGAL CARTRIGES I THINK THATS BEEN TOUCHED ON UNLESS SOMEONE FABRICATES ONE.

All of the cartridges I mentioned are legal for deer hunting here as long as they're used in a pistol. I'll list them again, .50 Beowulf, .450 Bushmaster, .45 ACP, 10 MM Auto. There may be others but those ones are for sure. The rule for handguns is this, quoted from the 2016-2017 Ohio Hunting Regulations booklet: "Handgun: With 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger". That is the only rule. All four of those cartridges meet that criteria, notice there is no mention of a magazine capacity limit. The rule for rifles, again, quoted directly from the booklet: "Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50- 90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson. Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles can be loaded with no more than three shells in the chamber and magazine combined".

WHAT OTHER REASON DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO HUNT WITH AN AR THAT IS DESIGNED FOR DEFENSIVE PURPOSES AND TO HOLD HIGH CAPACITIES OF AMMO. I KNOW GUYS WHO LOVE A SEMI AUTO JUST FOR THE LET ME SHOOT AT RUNNING DEER OR MULTIPLE AT ONCE. I DONT HUNT WITH THEM ANYMORE.

I wouldn't hunt with them either. My point is that that is your opinion. The fact that both of us use single shots and don't see a reason for multi shot rifles for deer hunting is not a reason to force everyone else to comply with our preferences.

I BEG TO DIFFER ON THE LOAD UP THE HANDGUN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. I KNOW A PISTOL HUNTER AND HE WAS TOLD BY A GW NO MORE THAN 3 ROUNDS. OHIO DID AWAY WITH THE PLUGS BECAUSE YOU CANT PLUG A LEVERGUN SO THEY JUST SCRATCHED THE IDEA. NO WHERE IN THE BOOK WHICH IS THE ONLY LEGAL THING THEY GIVE US ACCESS TO DOES IT SAY HANDGUNS ARE ALLOWED TO BE LOADED WITH 6 ROUNDS.

The fact that a GW said that means absolutely nothing. Law enforcement regularly screws up the nuances of firearms laws and in my experience and observation are generally less informed on the specifics that many of the people on this forum. Here's a link to the regulations I quoted above, which is the same as the book you mention; http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/hunting...trapping-regulations/deer-hunting-regulations There is no mention of an ammunition capacity limit in handguns, there is in rifles and shotguns. It's quite clear.

I HAVE A SINGLE SHOT 45-70 AND 44MAG AND SEVERAL ML. I DIDNT IMPLY HE "NEEDED" A LEVER GUN BUT SEEING HOW HE WANTS AN AR PLATFORM I FIGURED HE WOULD LIKE MORE AMMO I DONT SHOOT AT RUNNING DEER ONLY MORONS DO THAT! THIS PUTS EVERYONE IN THE WOODS SAFETY IN JEOPORDY AND ALSO 99% OF THE TIME THE DEER RUNS OFF AND DIES BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO TRACK OR WONT. FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!

Sorry, I misunderstood that part of your post. Excellent choice. I use a H&R break action .44 Mag.

 

[Sav .250]

Plenty of deer have been taken with slugs.................. J s/n.

 

[bearcreek]

Plenty of deer have been taken with slugs.................. J s/n.

Plenty of deer have been taken with .22 LR as well but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot better options out there.

 

[Merle1]

The AR is just as much a hunting rifle as any other semiauto, and more accurate than most wood and metal stocked semiauto hunting rifles. I've hunted with several different ARs in several different calibers and never once felt the uncontrollable urge to just start emptying magazines at animals.

Well obviously your evil AR hasn't taken control of your mind just yet!