454 Casull/Lil'Gun Cast Info Request

[marsofold]

I have been shooting cast bullets for my 454 SRH. Currently loading a Keith-style 255 grain SWC over 9.3 grains of Trail Boss at an estimated velocity of around 1000fps for plinking. It pretty much comes close to filling the cases after the bullet is seated, so I don't think I can go much faster with this powder (chosen to make double-charging impossible). But I'd like to have a load using Lil'Gun powder with the same bullet at 1400fps for deer hunting. All of the manufacturer loads listed are for either jacketed bullets or for much heavier cast bullets. Anyone have a reliable load for 255SWC/1400fps?

 

[zxcvbob]

12 grains of Herco or WSF in a .45 Colt case will get you about 1300 fps, and you've got a lot of pressure headroom left for a .454. Maybe try about 14 grains of Herco in .454 brass and see what you get. Do you have a chronograph? (in about a week I'll have my Quickload software and can calculate it

 

[zxcvbob]

OK, Lyman's #48 has some data for 255 SWC. OK this is irritating; I can't get the columns to line up because the whitespace is getting compressed even if I try using Courier font:

13.0 Bullseye 1395 fps 38000 C.U.P. (this is a max load for some reason)
14.2 Unique 1424 fps 36400 C.U.P. (max load)
21.7 2400 1441 fps 25300 C.U.P. (minimum load)

 

[Ndenway]

here's load info for the 454 off of hogdon's site: http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

- All - HodgdonIMRWinchester Bullet Weight
- All - 240250260265300325335360395 Powder
- All - H4227 [Hodgdon]H110 [Hodgdon]Lil'Gun [Hodgdon]Longshot [Hodgdon]HS-6 [Hodgdon]Universal [Hodgdon]Titegroup [Hodgdon]Trail Boss [IMR]296 [Winchester]



Cartridge: 454 Casull
Load Type: Pistol
Starting Loads

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Maximum Loads

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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Order BW Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure

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240 GR. FA JHP 240 H4227 .452" 1.765" 29.0 1512 22,300 CUP 34.0C 1834 43,300 CUP
240 GR. FA JHP 240 H110 .452" 1.765" 36.0 1923 38,800 CUP 38.2 2065 51,300 CUP
240 GR. FA JHP 240 Lil'Gun .452" 1.765" 35.0 1952 39,800 CUP 38.0 2033 43,100 CUP
240 GR. FA JHP 240 296 .452" 1.765" 36.0 1923 38,800 CUP 38.2 2065 51,300 CUP
240 GR. SIE JHC 240 Longshot .452" 1.680" 14.0 1375 23,800 CUP 16.0 1541 36,200 CUP
240 GR. SIE JHC 240 HS-6 .452" 1.680" 15.5 1360 27,100 CUP 17.5 1508 36,600 CUP
240 GR. SIE JHC 240 Universal .452" 1.680" 10.2 1212 24,400 CUP 11.5 1325 37,500 CUP
240 GR. SIE JHC 240 Titegroup .452" 1.680" 10.0 1214 24,500 CUP 11.0 1309 34,700 CUP
250 GR. BAR X 250 H4227 .451" 1.780" 26.0 1580 40,800 CUP 28.5C 1685 50,000 CUP
250 GR. BAR X 250 H110 .451" 1.780" 27.5 1725 45,100 CUP 28.5 1785 52,300 CUP
250 GR. BAR X 250 Lil'Gun .451" 1.780" 26.0 1620 30,100 CUP 28.0 1738 41,700 CUP
250 GR. BAR X 250 296 .451" 1.780" 27.5 1725 45,100 CUP 28.5 1785 52,300 CUP
250 GR. MEI LRNFP 250 Trail Boss .452" 1.680" 6.7 862 14,800 CUP 9.0 1011 19,300 CUP
250 GR. NOS JHP 250 Longshot .451" 1.700" 14.5 1377 26,400 CUP 15.5 1492 36,100 CUP
250 GR. NOS JHP 250 HS-6 .451" 1.700" 15.0 1295 25,400 CUP 17.0 1428 34,600 CUP
250 GR. NOS JHP 250 Universal .451" 1.700" 10.8 1221 25,700 CUP 12.0 1290 35,300 CUP
250 GR. NOS JHP 250 Titegroup .451" 1.700" 9.7 1193 24,600 CUP 11.2 1298 36,000 CUP
260 GR. FA JFP 260 H4227 .452" 1.765" 28.0 1421 19,000 CUP 33.0C 1762 42,100 CUP
260 GR. FA JFP 260 H110 .452" 1.765" 34.0 1817 37,100 CUP 36.0 1954 51,600 CUP
260 GR. FA JFP 260 Lil'Gun .452" 1.765" 33.4 1744 28,800 CUP 35.5 1895 37,900 CUP
260 GR. FA JFP 260 296 .452" 1.765" 34.0 1817 37,100 CUP 36.0 1954 51,600 CUP
260 GR. SPR JHP 260 Longshot .451" 1.675" 14.0 1353 28,200 CUP 15.0 1443 36,600 CUP
260 GR. SPR JHP 260 HS-6 .451" 1.675" 14.5 1252 25,000 CUP 16.8 1420 36,400 CUP
260 GR. SPR JHP 260 Universal .451" 1.675" 10.3 1157 25,500 CUP 11.5 1245 34,900 CUP
260 GR. SPR JHP 260 Titegroup .451" 1.675" 9.5 1159 25,200 CUP 11.0 1270 35,900 CUP
265 GR. CPB LFP GC 265 Trail Boss .452" 1.700" 7.0 836 18,800 CUP 9.0 984 27,100 CUP
300 GR. CPB LFN GC 300 Trail Boss .452" 1.800" 6.5 767 14,900 CUP 8.0 865 23,900 CUP
300 GR. FA JFP 300 H4227 .452" 1.775" 27.0 1541 41,100 CUP 31.0C 1702 52,400 CUP
300 GR. FA JFP 300 H110 .452" 1.775" 28.5 1618 44,200 CUP 30.0 1716 53,700 CUP
300 GR. FA JFP 300 Lil'Gun .452" 1.775" 29.0 1666 39,800 CUP 31.0 1746 45,000 CUP
300 GR. FA JFP 300 296 .452" 1.775" 28.5 1618 44,200 CUP 30.0 1716 53,700 CUP
325 GR. CPB LFN PB 325 H4227 .452" 1.760" 24.7 1389 30,300 CUP 25.5C 1452 36,900 CUP
325 GR. CPB LFN PB 325 H110 .452" 1.760" 25.2 1345 19,700 CUP 26.0 1511 34,300 CUP
325 GR. CPB LFN PB 325 Lil'Gun .452" 1.760" 23.2 1468 33,200 CUP 24.0 1526 38,900 CUP
325 GR. CPB LFN PB 325 Trail Boss .452" 1.760" 5.0 636 13,600 CUP 7.0 798 23,700 CUP
325 GR. CPB LFN PB 325 296 .452" 1.760" 25.2 1345 19,700 CUP 26.0 1511 34,300 CUP
325 GR. SFT HP 325 H4227 .451" 1.750" 23.0 1323 42,600 CUP 25.5 1460 52,600 CUP
325 GR. SFT HP 325 H110 .451" 1.750" 23.0 1379 36,800 CUP 26.0 1545 52,600 CUP
325 GR. SFT HP 325 Lil'Gun .451" 1.750" 21.0 1395 41,400 CUP 24.0 1558 52,600 CUP
325 GR. SFT HP 325 296 .451" 1.750" 23.0 1379 36,800 CUP 26.0 1545 52,600 CUP
335 GR. CPB LFN GC 335 H4227 .452" 1.770" 23.0 1306 30,000 CUP 25.5 1460 42,800 CUP
335 GR. CPB LFN GC 335 H110 .452" 1.770" 23.0 1321 22,200 CUP 26.0 1531 41,600 CUP
335 GR. CPB LFN GC 335 Lil'Gun .452" 1.770" 21.0 1377 34,000 CUP 24.0 1517 44,200 CUP
335 GR. CPB LFN GC 335 Trail Boss .452" 1.770" 4.8 618 15,500 CUP 6.8 778 25,600 CUP
335 GR. CPB LFN GC 335 296 .452" 1.770" 23.0 1321 22,200 CUP 26.0 1531 41,600 CUP
360 GR. CPB LFN GC 360 H4227 .452" 1.760" 21.0 1205 31,000 CUP 24.0 1406 48,300 CUP
360 GR. CPB LFN GC 360 H110 .452" 1.760" 21.0 1265 24,000 CUP 24.0 1447 43,400 CUP
360 GR. CPB LFN GC 360 Lil'Gun .452" 1.760" 20.0 1330 38,000 CUP 23.0 1477 48,200 CUP
360 GR. CPB LFN GC 360 Trail Boss .452" 1.760" 5.0 615 18,000 CUP 6.0 699 27,300 CUP
360 GR. CPB LFN GC 360 296 .452" 1.760" 21.0 1265 24,000 CUP 24.0 1447 43,400 CUP
395 GR. CPB LFN GC 395 H4227 .452" 1.770" 18.0 1076 29,600 CUP 21.0 1269 48,300 CUP
395 GR. CPB LFN GC 395 H110 .452" 1.770" 18.5 1169 27,200 CUP 21.0 1309 43,200 CUP
395 GR. CPB LFN GC 395 Lil'Gun .452" 1.770" 17.5 1212 40,100 CUP 20.0 1331 47,100 CUP
395 GR. CPB LFN GC 395 Trail Boss .452" 1.770" 4.0 519 19,200 CUP 5.0 607 23,600 CUP
395 GR. CPB LFN GC 395 296 .452" 1.770" 18.5 1169 27,200 CUP 21.0 1309 43,200 CUP


NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS

 

[campbell]

Use .45 Colt data as a guide. The Hodgdons data for .45 Colt lists 25.5 grains of Lil Gun under a 250 grain XTP at 1410 fps, and the Taffin load in the linked article below got 1453 fps (again, in a .45 Colt case) with 25 grains of Lil Gun under a 265 grain Keith style.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_47/ai_76558929

The 25 grain load in .45 Colt is around 29k or 30k CUP. 25 grains of Lil Gun in the .454 case will be a bit less pressure, but should keep you at a high enough pressure to get a good burn.

 

[hawkeye1]

Not sure of loads with the Lil gun, but H110 is great in the 454. I use home cast 310 graing LFN with 30.5 grains of H110. Have not run through the chronograph, but accuracy is great. Hold on>

 

[FLORIDA KEVIN]

Be very careful reducing the Lil Gun loads to get that velocity in your .454 ! i began to see some vertical stringing of shots when i went under 26 grains ,but I was using only 200 grain bullets ! I have since switched to a different powder( Imr 800X ) for this appllication ! I love LilGun with the heavier bullets or hotter loads ! Kevin

 

[zxcvbob]

Lil'Gun and 296 are too bulky to get maximum performance in the .454. Power Pistol, AA#7, and AA#9 look really good in QuickLoad.

 

[GSPKurt]

I have used AA7 and H110 in my .454 SRH with good results.

 

[marsofold]

Thanks for all the info, guys. I've been giving 2400 a second look. Anyone have any Casull full power load/experience for this powder?