Lil'gun in 454 (Warning, rambling)

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I started experimenting with Hogdon Lil'gun powder in my 454 SRH this year.

The first box of 50 was pretty good, accuracy wise. (New Starline brass, Federal Small Rifle Primers, Hornady 300 gr xtp mag, 30 grains LilGun) I tried the LilGun at the urging of an older gentleman at church who used it in his 41 mags with better accuracy, less case "sticking", lower pressure signs.

Like I said, first box of 50 pretty good. (the thing with a dillon RL550B is to not give into the temptation to load several hundred until after testing). The 30 grain load is in the "middle" of the recommended loads per Hogdon.

First box shot in the July heat. Easy extraction, no flattened primers.

I loaded a second box. The next time I shot it was cooler out. Still loading new brass. Same everything. Cases sticky. Primers flat. I don't have a chrono so I don't know about velocity. Accuracy not as good as first batch.

I duplicated the load again. third group same as 2nd group.

I have another can of LilGun, I wll try the minimum load of 29 grains and see. It's not a case of by giving up 1 grain that I'll lose anything with the 454.

H110 shows higher pressures for 454 loads, so I loaded 50 at the min listed per hogdon. Cases still a little sticky after extraction, but primers looked better (not the most reliable sign,I know, kinda like reading entrails) Accuracy better but not up what I know the pistol is capable of.

Went to one of my favorite magnum pistol powders - Winchester W296. Stayed to the low end of the charges listed in my Hornady book. Ahhhhh.
Groops tightened up, cased extract easy. I'll give a load with the minimum charge of Lil'gun a try, but I think I'll stick with W296.

Whoever here recommended about 11 grains of unique for a 454 plinking load with 300 grain cast bullets, thanks. They shoot well, and with much less recoil to heavier "hunting loads". The key to getting used to a gun like this is a lot of lead downrange, especially since I changed to a rear aperture sight.

Some more Ruger based rambling generalities, based on my guns, my experiences and don't apply to other peoples guns/loads.

1. In both 454 and 44 mag, I've had longer case life and better overall loads with Starline brass than with winchester brass.
2. My rugers, 357s, 44s, and the 454 prefer Hornady XTP bullets for jacketed bullets. They also like cast bullets. The Nosler Partition handgun bullet, besides being about $.60 just for the bullet, has not yielded acceptable accuracy. The same with standard Nosler and Sierra JHPs.
 
Recall

Check your lot number, Hodgdon has recalled a batch of Li'lgun.


PRODUCT RECALL

April 11, 2003
HODGDON POWDER COMPANY, INC.
SMOKELESS POWDER

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION: LIL' GUN® SMOKELESS POWDER – 1 LB. CONTAINER, LOT NUMBER: 103080221

WARNING: Hodgdon Powder Company, Inc. has determined that a small number of one pound (1 lb.) containers of Hodgdon’s LIL' GUN smokeless powder may create excessive pressures in firearms when loaded in cartridges and/or shotshells using standard loading data. Such a condition, if present, may cause personal injury to the user and/or bystander and damage to the firearm. Users should immediately cease using this product and return it to Hodgdon Powder Co. as instructed below:

http://www.hodgdon.com/news/lilgunrecall.php
 
Another thing to know: H110 and Win. 296 are the same powder. Many threads on this in the past.

I don't load for the .454 but my new favorite powder for my .45 colt ruger is 'lil gun. Lower preasures are good.

Good luck debugging that load.

--usp_fan
 
One other caution, just to have it in the thread (you all probably know this, but for those who may search/read in the future) -- the regular XTP bullets should not be pushed to full-power .454 levels; the jacket isn't thick enough and you can put a great deal of wear on the forcing cone very quickly. Hornady manufactures a separate line of XTP (XTP Mag, IIRC) for higher velocity loads in the .454.
 
Still another caution, working with light loadings of 296 and 110 can be hazardous due to erratic pressures. Perhaps Lil Gun is in the same category as these powders and is "fussy" in light charges. Your results with only the temperature as a variable seem to bear this out.
 
JNewell - I have been using the XTP "magnum bullet"

Yooper - I'm not using "light" loads. The load I used was in between the min and max listed charges. Using this charge filled the case when taking seating depth of the bullet into consideration. The range Hogdon lists for a 300 grain Jacketed bullet is 29-31 grains. I started at 30 grains. I know that their listing is for a Freedom Arms 300 grain JHC, which is not available to me, but on spec the 300 grain Hornady XTP Mag is very similar in length.

Jim Watson, thanks for the heads up, but the powder has been used up and the can thrown away, so I don't know what the lot# is. Maybe I should start tracking lot#s.

About 296 and H110 being interchangeable, several of my manuals show slightly different ranges of charge weights, with H110 being listed as using more powder, indicating a slightly slower burn rate. If people are using them interchangeably and feeling comfortable with it, that's fine, but I'm getting more conservative with experience. I do know that in my guns, with me shooting, that 296 seems to shoot rings around H110. I know other people that prefer H110. Handloading is of course about tailering cartridges to your particular guns, and preference.
 
I'm upstairs so I don't have the exact amount here, but my most recent 454 loads were around 11.5 grains of Unique behind a 265 gr JHP. I don't remember the velocity, either, but IIRC it was listed as about 1200 fps. The load data came from Freedom Arms. This load is a pussycat (and a laser beam) in a FA83 with a 7 1/2" Magna-ported barrel.

Not only am I trying to get more cautious as I get old, I generally don't see any reason to beat myself up. I think that beyond 1200-1300 fps most of what you're getting is distance and flatter trajectory, rather than game more dead (but YMMV).
 
JNewell .....Not only am I trying to get more cautious as I get old, I generally don't see any reason to beat myself up. I think that beyond 1200-1300 fps most of what you're getting is distance and flatter trajectory, rather than game more dead (but YMMV).

I have yet to shoot a deer with it, but I imagine dramatic results shooting a deer 75 yards and under with a 300gr bullet leaving the muzzle at about 1600
 
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