45acp 230gr LSWC, is there such a bullet?
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ChristopherG
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Never seen one. My first guess would be that it's a truncated cone, like the one from Penn bullets (scroll down the menu on left to see it):
http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45-caliber.html
If so, should be as reliable as any SWC out there.
http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45-caliber.html
If so, should be as reliable as any SWC out there.
jfh
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Likewise--never seen one. If it exists, I'll bet it is an LTC, as ChristopherG says.
Jim H.
Jim H.
Jesse Heywood
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ChristopherG
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Is that being billed somewhere as a SWC?
Robert Palermo /Penn Bullets
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Hensley and Gibbs before they closed offered the H&G 68 with extended driving bands with different weights up to 230 grs. and possibly more.
I talked to Wayne about it and his thoughts were that anything that moved away from the original #68 style was just a detriment to overall performance but still it was offered.
Never actually saw one but just the line drawings in the catalog. Most of the added length was in the rear base band if I remember correctly.
I talked to Wayne about it and his thoughts were that anything that moved away from the original #68 style was just a detriment to overall performance but still it was offered.
Never actually saw one but just the line drawings in the catalog. Most of the added length was in the rear base band if I remember correctly.
Ed Harris
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NEI #298 is a 230-gr. SWC similar in profile to the H&G #68 with a fatter nose.
Jesse Heywood
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Oops. In a land without enough sleep.
jmortimer
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http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/details.php?id=59
Not a SWC but it does have a meplat. I don't think a SWC would feed well in a .45 ACP
It is reported to feed reliably.
Not a SWC but it does have a meplat. I don't think a SWC would feed well in a .45 ACP
It is reported to feed reliably.
Well, I picked up some today. I took some photos but for some reason they cannot be opened. I'll do my best to describe it.
The 230gr SWC no doubt looks like a swc. Compared it next to a 200gr SWC, it is a tiny bit shorter from the shoulder up but the nose is much fatter (almost the same nose as a flat point bullet). The base (from the shoulder down) is much longer than a 200gr SWC and is measured at .452 1/2 in diameter, 1/2 wider than a 200gr SWC.
I loaded up a batch of 20. 3.6gr of Bullseye and mixed brass. Since the base is so long, I had to seat the bullet pretty deep to make it feed reliably. I tried seating it at .1250 like I would with a 200gr SWC, it did not feed well, too much of the shoulder was sticking out. After messing around with several seating depths, I settled at .1160-.1165 OAL. It cycled (hand cycle) two full mags without a problem. This was done with a 5 inch govt.
Will try to shoot this batch this weekend. I hope my fingers will still be intact after so I can finish up the report.
ATK
The 230gr SWC no doubt looks like a swc. Compared it next to a 200gr SWC, it is a tiny bit shorter from the shoulder up but the nose is much fatter (almost the same nose as a flat point bullet). The base (from the shoulder down) is much longer than a 200gr SWC and is measured at .452 1/2 in diameter, 1/2 wider than a 200gr SWC.
I loaded up a batch of 20. 3.6gr of Bullseye and mixed brass. Since the base is so long, I had to seat the bullet pretty deep to make it feed reliably. I tried seating it at .1250 like I would with a 200gr SWC, it did not feed well, too much of the shoulder was sticking out. After messing around with several seating depths, I settled at .1160-.1165 OAL. It cycled (hand cycle) two full mags without a problem. This was done with a 5 inch govt.
Will try to shoot this batch this weekend. I hope my fingers will still be intact after so I can finish up the report.
ATK
jfh
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Did you weigh them? And, I'm looking forward to the photos....
Jim H.
Jim H.
Here are the pictures. I got to shoot them today. Shot 20 rounds and did not have any malfunction. Feeding was smooth. I didn't try for accuracy but was able to do 1.5" at 12 yards, 2 hands, standing. I think I could probably shrink that down to <1" bench rested.
200gr SWC (Left), 230gr SWC (Right).
.1250 OAL 200gr SWC (left), .1160 OAL 230gr SWC (right). I had to seat it that low in order to get it to feed reliably.
200gr SWC (Left), 230gr SWC (Right).
.1250 OAL 200gr SWC (left), .1160 OAL 230gr SWC (right). I had to seat it that low in order to get it to feed reliably.
While it should work just fine, that bullet was intended to load in revolvers. Check out the crimp groove just above the lube groove.
I used to load a 225 Gr "Bowling Pin" bullet with a very similar profile, sans the crimp groove.
I used to load a 225 Gr "Bowling Pin" bullet with a very similar profile, sans the crimp groove.
jfh
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Aha! thanks for the picture(s). As Walkalong says, this bullet was apparently made for revolver reloading; it does appear to be a bowling pin bullet. 230-gr LRNs tend to ricochet, in my limited experience.
If seated to the crimp groove, I'll bet the seating depth is similar to a 'standard' 230-gr--and hence 'standard' 230-gr. LRN recipes can be used for a workup. Of course, seated to the crimp groove means it won't fit and feed in a semiauto.....
Jim H.
If seated to the crimp groove, I'll bet the seating depth is similar to a 'standard' 230-gr--and hence 'standard' 230-gr. LRN recipes can be used for a workup. Of course, seated to the crimp groove means it won't fit and feed in a semiauto.....
Jim H.
Robert Palermo /Penn Bullets
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Its a 255 gr. SWCBB bullet mold that has been cut down to come out to that weight.
ChristopherG
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Right; the 255, obviously, is a great bullet. Don't know why anyone would want it lighter, in fact, 'cause it's perfect. And, not to drop names, but Mr. Palermo casts the very best example of it I've had the pleasure of loading (see the link to penn bullets above). Plain base, broad meplate, crisp casting, great bullet.
But I digress.
But I digress.
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