50 BMG Pistol

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Check your state regs as well as federal, here's part of Kali's.

Handgun ammunition means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other
firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of section
12001, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles. (Penal Code §
12323(a).)

Handgun ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor means any
ammunition, except a shotgun shell or ammunition primarily designed for use in rifles, that is
designed primarily to penetrate a body vest or body shield. (Penal Code § 12323(.)

That's why, so who has info to contact this company?
 
yeah

even over at biggerhammer.net they can't find this company. probably a front comapny for some anti-II group who want to get rid of SPECIAL TYPES OF 50 AMMO WITHOUT PASSING ANOTHER LAW. very good strategy i must say.
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AP type ammo that can be fired in a handgun was banned for sale by the 1994 crime bill. With the introduction of a new hangdun in a caliber previously available only in rifles will add that caliber to the ban list.

By definition, AP Ammo is:
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(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
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Web link:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/legal/armor.htm

This banned the importation and manufacture of steel core and AP, API, APIT ammo in .308, 7.62x39 and .223 for sale to the public. Since several companies make handguns in those calibers.

Once the ATF gets wind of this handgun, they will halt the sale of said ammo types in .50 BMG. You can still own it and buy it from private individuals, but companies like Talon or Arizona Ammo will no longer be able to make it for public sale, and dealers like Ammoman.com will not be able to sell it to non law enforcement individuals.

I think the ATF used some kind of number formula in the past to determine whether there are enough handguns in any given caliber to ban the sale of AP type ammo in that caliber, but you can bet the farm that the number of .50 BMG handguns in production that will be needed to ban the sale of .50 BMG AP ammo will be ONE. As you know the .50 BMG is on the hit list of the anti 2nd Ammendment bozos.

Th language above from Title 18, will ban the sale of:

Standard FMJ Ball loads (solid steel core)
Virtually all of the bronze machined solids (Harlow, Barnes etc.)
AP (Black Tip)*
API (Silver Tip)*
APIT (Silver and Red Tip)*
Raufoss (Green and White Tip)*
SLAP*

----------and any other ammo that meets the criteria of a steel or alloy core that .

The price of loaded .50 BMG ammo will jump from $1.50 a round to well over $5 a round since only newly manufactured bullets can be used, no more surplus bullets since they virtually all have solid steel or tungsten alloy cores.

There is a slim chance that it won't be banned since this gun is a limited production single shot bolt action handgun but don't count on it. The .50 BMG is probably the single most hated caliber out there right now.

There are handguns being offered in .30-06 from various makers, Thompson Center, Magnum Research and Savage, but the 30-06 AP ammo is specifically exempted from the ban, as is SS109 5.56mm, but for a different reason. The SS109 steel core is surrounded by lead, therefore not meeting the criteria of being constructed ENTIRELY of steel, tungsten, etc.
 
I doubt it goes that far. I can't see this gun having any practical usage as:

A. Velocity has to be very low for a .50

B. Stabilizing the bullet of a cartridge that long in a barrel that short has got to be difficult, even if the loads were reduced to a minimum safe point.

Generally, it's a nice conversation piece, but likely ineffective as a useful firearm.
 
So what about Thompson/Center Arms and Wichita?

They make pistols that chamber most every rifle cartridge known to man ... so wouldn't that make all AP rifle ammo illegal?

EDIT: oh ... I see this has been addressed ... doh!
 
The concern is that this will allow the ATF to ban AP type .50 ammo should they choose to with no input from the legislative branch.

Do you think they will pass up on this chance?

I don't.
 
This may be a stupid question, but is this thing even going to be produced? Just because it's shown doesn't mean they're going to sell it, right?
 
"nitrogen" huh? Sounds like an automotive shock absorber. This gun is just too cool. I put it in the Desert Eagle AE50 category. It is built for fun. Can't we have a little fun too? The SW500 doesn't do it for me but this monster gets me salivating...
 
I think I have too much respect for what is left of my peripheral nervous system to ever touch one off.

My radial and ulnar nerves saw that photo and said 2 words..."NO WAY!"

Besides, there is no hearing aid that would repair the damage from that blast from a short barrel.

Regards,
Rabbit
 
According to the people at the shot show they have no intention of ever manufacturing this pistol they were there to try to sell the technology and manufacturing rights.
 
The reason no one can find info on this company on the web is because they aren't out there yet. I stopped by this booth to take a gander at this monstrosity, and the guy hawking it said that the SHOT Show was the first introduction of this...thing. He pointed out that they hadn't even put anything up on the web yet.

I got the distinct impression that they only had maybe one or two prototypes and were looking for somebody who would be willing to pick them up and mass-produce the design.
 
According to the people at the shot show they have no intention of ever manufacturing this pistol they were there to try to sell the technology and manufacturing rights.
Hopefully this means that making one demo pistol in .50BMG was just to illustrate how effective their recoil reducing system is.

After all, if it can tame a .50BMG then any handgun round should be a piece of cake.
 
I also saw this at the Shot Show and watched the video for a couple of minutes. My impression was that the people who shot it were pretty scared to do so - they tried to look unworried, but gave me the distinct impression that they were terrified to touch it off and very relieved when it was over (and who could blame them). Not too different from when a new shooter tries a .44 magnum for the first time - hold it out, close your eyes, grit your teeth, and pull the trigger.

I really can't see any practical use for such a gun other than conversation piece, but if I had the money to spare and they were available, it would be quite a novelty to add to the collection. I guess I'd have to shoot it once or twice just to say I'd done it.

Doug
 
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