.50 Cal rifles on 60 Minutes this Sunday

[Highland Ranger]

yes the Toys thing was a very unfortunate choice of words.

I guess he was hoping to show how "harmless" a 50 cal is by using that word. Instead it can easily be played as: If only you irresponsible gun nuts would do without your toys, we'd all be safer.

The proper approach is the Dr. lott 5 gallon bucket strategy, combined with the 50 cal is no more dangerous than many other rounds used for hunting already on the market.

 

[jke456]

Anyone else catch the last statement about the gun registration???

kinda implicated to me that they were inplying that Ashcroft changed the law from 90days to 24 hours...

also tried to act like the 90 days was a law for comparing gun purchasers with terror list, which would now be impossible because of the change to 24 hours


jon

 

[AZRickD]

One interesting thing to note was that they shot those rifles at the FBI at Waco.

I've read two books on the subject and remain unaware of any .50BMG fired from the church. I don't recall a .50BMG being recovered from the rubble left by FBI, and Delta.

Rick

 

[Nehemiah Scudder]

Dunno that much that much about the case, except for the important bit that they could've picked up Koresh in town a couple of days before the standoff.

They mentioned it was used in the information given to Gov. Swartzy in the case for the ban.

And it does sound like a weapon you'd want if you were preparing against a govt. attack like the Branch Davidians were.

 

[Sindawe]

.50 Caliber Barrett at Waco

I don't recall reading any reports of finding one of these rifles among the rubble either. Searching the 'Net, I did find what is presented as a listing of the weapons and parts found.


http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/waco/news3.html

Some magazines and magazine springs for something in .50 caliber, but no rifles.

Of course, this IS CBS, of the "Bush Memo" fame.

 

[50 Shooter]

I've looked on all the Government sites and couldn't find one mention of a Barrett .50 in the weapons recovered from Waco. Just one more lie idiots like Diaz and Koretz dream up to scare the sheeple.

 

[El Rojo]

I too noticed that they said that the "new" policy was to only hold onto the data for 24 hours. I said to my wife, "That isn't true, it was always 24 hours and this administration decided to finally follow the law." Was I right?

Well the segment was exactly like the article that is linked here, so you didn't miss much if you did miss it. I thought it was fairly balanced. I doubt anyone is going to go out and want to ban .50s any more than they already are. I would give a .50 ban in this Congress and Presidential Administration a snow balls chance in hell.

 

[jke456]

I too noticed that they said that the "new" policy was to only hold onto the data for 24 hours. I said to my wife, "That isn't true, it was always 24 hours and this administration decided to finally follow the law." Was I right?

as far as I understand you are 100% correct

jon

 

[bogie]

One interesting thing to note was that they shot those rifles at the FBI at Waco.

Not gonna tell you what to believe. Do your own research.

Just ask yourself this - If there was so much shooting going on, why didn't we get to see any pictures of the "bullet ridden" vehicles the FBI used? If I was handling PR for that snafu, they'd be the first thing I'd show.

Unless there weren't any bullet-ridden vehicles.

 

[fedlaw]

I wonder if 60 Minutes and the other so-called newsmagazines editorialize by advocating a position on everything they "report" on or just on the blue county issues. We can appreciate the top-spin they put on a segments regarding guns, but are they also slanting the other stories as well?
After the "report" regarding 50 cal's, they "reported" on a classical pianist named Lang Lang. Are any of you familiar enough with the current classical music scene to smell if something was rotten in that story as well?
Perhaps that's why they call the segments, stories? Because they make them up.

 

[Nehemiah Scudder]

The report on dogs smelling cancer was pretty good.

I've read about that a while back ago. Neat to actually see it.


Edited to add:

Andy Rooney is still a cratchety old coot, I saw too.

 

[cstreu1026]

I wish I could have seen the piece on 60 minuites because I was interested in what they had to say. Did they happen to touch on the price of a Barrett rifle? isn't the asking price for the semi-auto version somewhere int he $7000-$8000 range?

 

[cgjunk2]

Found this letter on the barret site. Makes me wonder if the LAPD's Barret will ever work right again...

http://www.barrettrifles.com/news/AmericanRiflemanJan-2005BrattonLetter.pdf

 

[artherd]

( Double Post )

 

[artherd]

Did they happen to touch on the price of a Barrett rifle? isn't the asking price for the semi-auto version somewhere int he $7000-$8000 range?

Best damn $7300 (msrp, withought scope) I EVER spent!

 

[Master Blaster]

CBS News is on my permanent IGNORE LIST.

Pravda is much more objective.

 

[Waitone]

Just ask yourself this - If there was so much shooting going on, why didn't we get to see any pictures of the "bullet ridden" vehicles the FBI used? If I was handling PR for that snafu, they'd be the first thing I'd show.

Don't mess with vehicles. Just produce the front door. The whole place burns down and guess what is missing. The front door. The very place where shooting started.

 

[Battlespace]

I happened to channel surf into the .50 cal segment last night. SeeBS is just that. I laughed out loud at the mention of Bradley fight vehicles being used at Waco and them showing an M113 APC on a truck. I remember seeing the Bradley at Waco, but showing one thing and calling it another? Give me a break, they need to get a better advisor on military matters, if they even have one.

Were there any .50 Barrets found at Waco? When they frist went into production what was the cost in that year's dollars? I imagine they were a little pricey.

 

[El Rojo]

The thing I don't get is the constant reference about the threat to commercial airliners by a .50 BMG. Why airliners? It makes no sense. What good is it going to do for a terrorist to shoot an engine on an airliner on the ground? Ok, the engine gets damaged and when they spool up to take off, they notice the failure and abort take off. Lives lost zero. Oh wait, they must have meant that the engine wouldn't fail until they got in the air. Ok, engine fails, they use two or more of the other three or four engines and safely land. Lives lost...Zero. The only thing I could think of is getting some incidenary rounds into the fuel tanks, but again, I am sure they are self sealing fuel tanks on an airliner and the round is going to probably punch on through before it can light up. This is my assumption of course, but this is the worst threat I can think of to an airliner by a .50 BMG. I think go old plastic explosives will be a better tactic every time if I were an Islamic Jihadist and wanted to cause a lot of casualties. I mean how long are you going to be able to hide out as you fire your Barrett M82A1 several times at an airliner at a metropolitian airport? Do they make a sound suppresor for it that still retains the long range capability?

The only way these liberals get anywhere with gun control is by fear. They could never last in a logical argument for more than one second.

 

[mattf7184]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=25323777
This was guy and auction? they showed on the 60 mins...

Well some things that popped up to me rewatching the vid.

1) No .50BMG rifles found at WACO.
http://nsi.org/Library/Law/david.html
2) They use child logic comparing .50BMG size wise compared to other calibers...what if I dont put powder in the fifty cartridge....
3) The .50BMG round DID NOT penetrate all the plates at 300yards, one seemed plugged up still and only dented. Not to mention we dont know what kind of ammo was used.
4) Tom Diaz has messed up teeth lol
5) It seemed obvious at least to me Bradley was trying to use this as an attack on the Bush admin.
6) Dont talk about what .50BMG would do to a plane...absolutely nothing...it would take a freaking miracle....I question how close .50BMG needs to be to pierce a 747 windshield....
7) The scale of an idiot shooting at a plane is not consistent with the type/scale of Al Qaeda attacks.
8) They dont expose Diaz as from being with the VPC...
9) I love the vids of the one handed firing of the .50 and the firing from the hip, simply priceless...

Thats all off the top of my head after rewatching it.

 

[RaggedClaws]

The thing I don't get is the constant reference about the threat to commercial airliners by a .50 BMG. Why airliners? It makes no sense. What good is it going to do for a terrorist to shoot an engine on an airliner on the ground?

I think the implication is that passengers can be hit if the hull can be shot through. All seatbelted in, they're like sardines in a can. A terrorist can just open fire on the plane and kill a bunch of passengers. Of course, I think they could use just about any semi-auto or full-auto rifle for that from a few hundred yards away.

 

[El Rojo]

I think the implication is that passengers can be hit if the hull can be shot through. All seatbelted in, they're like sardines in a can. A terrorist can just open fire on the plane and kill a bunch of passengers. Of course, I think they could use just about any semi-auto or full-auto rifle for that from a few hundred yards away.

See that makes no sense at all. Any place where there are a lot of people this could happen. I would probably rather set up in the hills across from Dodger stadium and shoot into the reserved deck during a packed post season game or something. An open air stadium has about 30k-40k people packed into a small space compared to a 100 to 400 person airplane. And that is my point. Why airplanes? It makes no sense other than "I make no sense, but fear the gun!"

 

[cstreu1026]

Why airplanes?

Because they are trying to say a single shot could kill a pilot or cause the plane to explode and possibly kill everyone on board. So if it were to happen more people could be killed with a single shot. However, you shoout at people standing inline for a beer or something in a stadium and as long as there was major over penetration you could get more than one with a single shot.

 

[Yooper]

I think that airplanes were the focus due to the "terrorist" rhetoric from Diaz. It seems to me that the anti-gunners have zeroed in on this as a vehicle to peddle fear rather than their former "for the children" argument.

 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

See that makes no sense at all.

You expect gun control supporters to make sense?? Now that's just plain silly...