.50-CALIBER RIFLE IS TOO POWERFUL EVEN FOR HUNTING - e/mail this anti-gun idiot!

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.50-CALIBER RIFLE IS TOO POWERFUL EVEN FOR HUNTING - e/mail this anti-gun scumbag!

Is there any we can go after this anti-gun scumbag?

Posted on Mon, Jul. 28, 2003 story:pUB_DESC
Sniper weapons should be restricted
.50-CALIBER RIFLE IS TOO POWERFUL EVEN FOR HUNTING

A .50-caliber BMG sniper rifle, in the wrong hands, would be terrorism unleashed.

The gun is powerful enough to punch a hole in an oil tank or take down a civilian airplane. Its 5 1/2-inch long bullets can pierce an inch of armor 40 yards away and hit a target a mile away. A massive weapon, with some models weighing in at 28 pounds, it's ill-suited for hunters -- it would take out a deer and the tree behind it -- but ideal for assassins.

And it's only a matter of time before it gets in the wrong hands. In California, there are fewer restrictions on buying a .50-caliber BMG rifle than on buying a handgun. It's treated like a hunting rifle, with no permanent record of purchase.

The sale of this weapon should be severely restricted, and could have been in California, were it not for the actions of two local senators usually sympathetic to gun controls.

Earlier this month, a bill all but prohibiting the sale passed the Assembly only to die in a Senate committee, one vote shy of the four needed for passage. Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-San Jose, declined to vote, and Sen. Bruce McPherson, R-Santa Cruz, switched his position during the hearing.

AB 50, sponsored by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, would treat .50 caliber rifles as state law does semi-automatic assault rifles, with tight controls. It would require registration for those who now possess one and permission of the attorney general to buy one -- basically a ban, since the attorney general has yet to grant a permit for an assault rifle.

That's as it should be, but McPherson viewed it as too restrictive. An aide said he favors a permit process to prevent criminals from getting the rifles but not target gun hobbyists and others. An aide to Vasconcellos said the senator doesn't believe the bill is necessary.

Developed by the military and used in the Gulf and Iraq wars, .50-caliber sniper rifles are becoming popular on the civilian market. Two dozen manufacturers sell them. With prices falling, some sell for as little as $1,000. The more they proliferate, the more likely one will be put to an awful use.

Earlier this year, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation on a federal level. But the bill's going nowhere in a Republican Congress. That leaves it to the states to take the lead.

Koretz's bill will come back next year. :cuss: Before then, perhaps there's room for compromise, such as restrictions that would allow gun clubs, under tight conditions, to keep the guns.

McPherson has it backward. The burden should be on those who want .50 caliber sniper rifles to explain why, not on government to justify restricting them.

Here is the contact info:

Letters to the Editor:

750 Ridder Park Drive

San Jose, CA. 95190

E-mail

[email protected]


Here is the link.
 
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I don't see him as necessarily anti-gun but instead woefully ignorant. His beliefs, that he thinks are facts, are from the Violence Prevention Center's propaganda.

Let's educate him. I'll find a 50 cal rifle and ammo if someone in his area will contact him and arrange a trip to Metcalf, Coalinga or some range that will provide him an opportunity to to try to hit a moving target. I will be happy to provide instruction in the safe operation of firearms.

There is a .50 BMG hunting article in the latest issue of Very High Power magazine. Maybe I can copy that and send it to the paper.

Point out his lack of knowledge but do not attack the man. Remember, ignorance can be corrected. But we don't want to drive him into stupidity. We can't correct that.

Tom
 
It would require registration for those who now possess one and permission of the attorney general to buy one -- basically a ban, since the attorney general has yet to grant a permit for an assault rifle.

I miss the People's Republic of California about 1% as much as I'm sure I'd miss some wretched venereal disease.
 
shooterx10 beat me to it on posting this editorial from the San Jose Mercury News - Got to be fast around here.

Aside from the usual bilge wash of it will frighten the children, what these people are really saying is any firearm with a scope is a "sniper weapon." Hand gun, rifle, bolt action rifle, if it has a scope it is a sniper and should be destroyed! Then! all firearms will continue to be attacked.

These people know their lies better then us. They are not stupid or frightened. They are socialist! They will take your weapons and enslave you, your children and the children of your children. These socialist want to control every aspect of life on earth! With them in the drivers seat...

Giant
 
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Editor:

The column cited above reads like a Violence Policy Center press release, with some phrases lifted directly off of their web page. With all the free press they get, no wonder they can operate on a shoe-string budget deserving of a left-wing fringe group.

So why is the Mercury News carrying their water? Why were there so many factual errors in the text of the column (5.5" bullet)?

Since you are so much in favor of government permission to exercise a right, how about you submit to a five-day waiting period before publishing a story so government can run it through the FBI Office of Truth? What honest accredited journalist could object?

You wouldn't use that tired argument that newspaper stories don't kill people, would you? Ever hear of Yellow Journalist Randolph Hearst? How many stories did he have to write before his words lit the fuse for the Spanish-American War? Remember his words to his illustrator bored that no war had broken out? "Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."
http://www.zpub.com/sf/history/willh.html

How many died because of that newspaper?

I think it's high time we registered reporters, don't you? Our safety depends on it.
 
I am ignorant mostly on this, I know what a 50cal rifle is (we have all played Delta Force and made obscene distance kills with it) why does anybody want one? Just target shooting? Cos I imagine anything living shot with it (except possibly a blue whale :) ) would just become a bloody mess.
 
St Johns, while it would be physically possible to use a .50 for hunting or for assassination, it would be a very poor choice. The .50 is used as a sniper rifle by military folks, but they don't have to worry about escaping capture by the police. One does not carry a 30-pound, four- or five-foot long rifle through the woods, or be unnoticed with such in a city.

Some people like to shoot them; they're having harmless fun, and that's good enough for me.

To use a .50 on a deer would be no more devastating than my use of a .220 Swift on a feral cat. And dead is dead, be it bullet or brain tumor...

There are many other commonly-used hunting rifles which could be used for long range assassination. The big problem is that the intended target must remain stationary for the duration of the travel time of the bullet. The longer the distance, the longer the time, and the more problematical the hit. So, assassinations will pretty much always be at relatively (by rifle standards) short range. An eight-pound .270 from WalMart would do just fine, thank you, to over 500 yards.

:), Art
 
Side note - Canadians have the record for a confirmed sniping kill don't they? That was using a 50cal if I remember.
 
for your critique:

I quickly put together the following message, but haven't yet sent it. If anyone would like to make suggestions or point out weak spots, please let me know:

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Today I read, via the internet, the opinion piece entitled "Sniper weapons should be restricted (.50-CALIBER RIFLE IS TOO POWERFUL EVEN FOR HUNTING)". This piece was incredibly disappointing with its misinformation, conclusions based on hypothetical circumstances, and blatant disregard for American liberties, not to mention a basic distrust for the citizens who exercise those liberties.

Starting with its title, the article expresses a basic misunderstanding (at best) or misleading propaganda (at worst) with the clause "Even for Hunting". This phrase implies that the only firearms suitable for private ownership are those whose only use is for hunting. The truth is that there is no constitutional protection of firearms ownership for hunting or sporting purposes; the only real constitutional reason stated for the people of this nation to keep and bear arms is for the "security of a free state". The implied intent of the framers is that the citizenry should be armed in preparation to protect the security of themselves, their fellow citizens, and their nation. Additional uses (hunting) were likely assumed uses of firearms which the framers merely saw too benign to merit mentioning.

The author continues to mislead with hypothetical worst-case situations regarding the use of the .50 caliber rifle. The author points out his opinion that the rifle is too unwieldy for hunters, but doesn't consider that its unwieldiness for hunters would also make it awkward for criminals. He shares his concern that this rifle would be useful for assassins, but fails to point out that so would many other high-power hunting calibers, and those would be much more portable. If one were to try to think like a sniper, can you imagine ever having an opportunity to take a 1-mile shot? However, not mentioned by the author is the fact that the weight and range of this rifle make it perfect for long-range sporting target shooters.

Even further, the author promotes restricting or banning .50 caliber firearms solely on his hypothetical scenarios, which is an argument that he must make considering that the caliber has not been used in an actual crime. To say that "it's only a matter of time before it gets in the wrong hands" is a fearful sounding statement, but it is conjecture no better than "if you keep going to the beach, it's only a matter of time before you drown". Greater exposure provides greater risk, but it does not make catastrophe inevitable. The right to exercise those liberties that include risk is part of the price of living in a country founded on freedom.

It is exactly the point of this freedom that the author seems to miss in his closing statement: "The burden should be on those who want .50 caliber sniper rifles to explain why, not on government to justify restricting them." This is exactly backwards. The constitution of our country recognizes certain rights with which people are inherently endowed, and restricts the government from infringing upon them. The right to exercise free speech, enjoyed by the opinion writer, is one of them. The right to bear arms is another. A right does not require justification, and the government is constitutionally prohibited (regardless of justification) from restricting them.

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One does not carry a 30-pound, four- or five-foot long rifle through the woods, or be unnoticed with such in a city.

I've spent MONTHS looking for a CC holster for my .50, and now you tell me...So I can take off my winter full-length topcoat now?
 
Until journalists get their guts stomped for false reporting like this it isn't going to change. They want to print lies, live with the consequences. They could pring the truth but is wouldn't sound as bad and wouldn't sell as many papers.
 
Some people just get out of bed scared. I would like one just for plinking. :D I suppose I'd have to reload to keep the costs down. :rolleyes:

An eight-pound .270 from WalMart would do just fine, thank you, to over 500 yards.

I am consistently hitting a medium sized tomato at 250 to 270 yards myself. DEER FEAR ME !!!!!:D
 
more contact info

Here some more contact info for John Swartley, editor:

[email protected]
(408) 920-5476

Funny how the article does NOT name the author of the opinion article!

:cuss:
 
It's those "5 1/2 inch long bullets". When the bullets get longer than parts of some persons anatomies - bullet envy takes over. Counseling can help and implants have been shown to offer some help too.
 
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