killoften
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Get your facts straight
Ummmm.... Well that was a lengthy read to say the least. And this being my first post to this forum, I do not want to get off on the wrong foot, or to insult anybody but, :banghead: I'm about to.
That's quite a bit of bashing on the 50GI round if ever there was.
I'm not sure where to begin and I certainly won't bother refuting all of the baseless claims but perhaps just a few.
First of all, I've been reading into this round since 2005. I became quite the fan and I finally was able to buy one in 2009. (Which I might add was my first handgun purchase and I'm still quite pleased with the quality of 1911 that I chose) But since this about the 50GI cartridge and not the quality of the built, I'll just hush on all that.
Who in their right mind goes on and on explaining that its not on par with magnum loads? Fun fact: It was not meant to.
I'd engage in a gun fight with a controllable cartridge over a magnum (50DE or the like) any day. Those magnum rounds are for hunting anyway and obviously fill a different niche than defensive rounds. Duh. So why are we talking about them?
As for those complaining of costs? It is what it is. Personally if a component of my defensive pistol gave me ANY edge or resulted in ANY percentile increase of likelihood to win/survive the battle, there would be no limit of money I would pay? Really? Would you have a limit? I mean you'll probably go your entire life never needing to draw, but God forbid you do once, its on like Donkey Kong and all bets are off. I always find it so funny when guys will spend ridiculous money on thinks like rims, TV's, clothing, etc... But have a $500 piece of garbage and say that anything more is too much? So you want more quality out of your leather shoes, than you do you sword? Okay... To each his own, glad to know.
The truth is, Guncrafter Industries was innovative enough to make the new cartridge have a rebated rim (to answer the OP question) .45 so that you can train and plink with cheaper ammo from any number of manufactures. (So much for your cost complaint)
The (expensive) SCHP's are for DEFENSIVE purposes only. Who hits paper targets with hollow points anyway? Yeh yeh,,,, you should never trust your life to a round you haven't fired____ rounds of without failure blah blah blah. Ok! Go buy ____ amount, shoot it, then load you defensive mags and be done with it. Again, I don't know of a better SD round on the market so see my pervious point about costs.
And for those claiming the ballistics just don't impress and all that jazz...
Are you kidding me? I mean... Are you? You must be. You really want to get into a math war because I can tell you right now the writing is in the sky and its a futile endeavor.
How deep in your butt did you have to dig for this math?
".45 185gr = .50 225gr
.45 200gr = .50 245gr
.45 230gr = .50 285gr
.45 250gr = .50 310gr
.45 275gr = .50 340gr
.45 300gr = .50 370gr"
Who's talking about how "ssssssssssslow" these rounds are?
230 @1000 FPS factory load with a SCHP that STARTS at .50 and expands to
1". That's 1" X pie. The 185's @1200 for those of you who like fast but light and oh... don't want to be 'small' you still get 1" expanded.
The only "slow" round that I know of is the 300gr @750. Well.... Maybe it's because you're shooting a 300gr bullet out of a hand gun. DO I need to explain why its not as fast as the smaller rounds? Do you know the penetration of a 300gr flat nose @750 FPS?
And I love the guys who chime in when a caliber debate comes up who retort "Its' all about shot placement!" Well... Aren't you the smart box awaiting a Nobel prize? I recommend a .22LR so that you can be sure to get that excellent shot placement since you wont have to worry about recoil. Heck... BB guns have improved vastly over the years, and you don't have as many laws prohibiting them. "All things being equal" should be in fine print down at the bottom to remind guys we "know" it matters where the bullets hit.
"All things being equal"
Point of the matter is, I know of NO other round that DOES fill as many variables WITHOUT all the downsides, such as high pressure rounds trying to gain a little in the math of "energy" to make up for their small size all the while exponentially increasing their muzzle blast. The .45 is a great round, except the will always be .05 of legal space above its head that's not being used. We're not trying to just make holes, or rely on "knock down power", we are hoping to contact vital spots, that when broken, render the threat unable to continue and as far as I know, "All things being equal" bigger holes, have bigger chances of that happening. Obviously small percentage but over the course of 1000 shootings, you may find that there is a little math involved even with good shot placements of a lethal wound, or "almost" a lethal wound just mm's away from being the former.
To each his own, but if not a fan that's cool. Just don't spout of with wrong information stated as fact. It's not polite. ; )
Ummmm.... Well that was a lengthy read to say the least. And this being my first post to this forum, I do not want to get off on the wrong foot, or to insult anybody but, :banghead: I'm about to.
That's quite a bit of bashing on the 50GI round if ever there was.
I'm not sure where to begin and I certainly won't bother refuting all of the baseless claims but perhaps just a few.
First of all, I've been reading into this round since 2005. I became quite the fan and I finally was able to buy one in 2009. (Which I might add was my first handgun purchase and I'm still quite pleased with the quality of 1911 that I chose) But since this about the 50GI cartridge and not the quality of the built, I'll just hush on all that.
Who in their right mind goes on and on explaining that its not on par with magnum loads? Fun fact: It was not meant to.
I'd engage in a gun fight with a controllable cartridge over a magnum (50DE or the like) any day. Those magnum rounds are for hunting anyway and obviously fill a different niche than defensive rounds. Duh. So why are we talking about them?
As for those complaining of costs? It is what it is. Personally if a component of my defensive pistol gave me ANY edge or resulted in ANY percentile increase of likelihood to win/survive the battle, there would be no limit of money I would pay? Really? Would you have a limit? I mean you'll probably go your entire life never needing to draw, but God forbid you do once, its on like Donkey Kong and all bets are off. I always find it so funny when guys will spend ridiculous money on thinks like rims, TV's, clothing, etc... But have a $500 piece of garbage and say that anything more is too much? So you want more quality out of your leather shoes, than you do you sword? Okay... To each his own, glad to know.
The truth is, Guncrafter Industries was innovative enough to make the new cartridge have a rebated rim (to answer the OP question) .45 so that you can train and plink with cheaper ammo from any number of manufactures. (So much for your cost complaint)
The (expensive) SCHP's are for DEFENSIVE purposes only. Who hits paper targets with hollow points anyway? Yeh yeh,,,, you should never trust your life to a round you haven't fired____ rounds of without failure blah blah blah. Ok! Go buy ____ amount, shoot it, then load you defensive mags and be done with it. Again, I don't know of a better SD round on the market so see my pervious point about costs.
And for those claiming the ballistics just don't impress and all that jazz...
Are you kidding me? I mean... Are you? You must be. You really want to get into a math war because I can tell you right now the writing is in the sky and its a futile endeavor.
How deep in your butt did you have to dig for this math?
".45 185gr = .50 225gr
.45 200gr = .50 245gr
.45 230gr = .50 285gr
.45 250gr = .50 310gr
.45 275gr = .50 340gr
.45 300gr = .50 370gr"
Who's talking about how "ssssssssssslow" these rounds are?
230 @1000 FPS factory load with a SCHP that STARTS at .50 and expands to
1". That's 1" X pie. The 185's @1200 for those of you who like fast but light and oh... don't want to be 'small' you still get 1" expanded.
The only "slow" round that I know of is the 300gr @750. Well.... Maybe it's because you're shooting a 300gr bullet out of a hand gun. DO I need to explain why its not as fast as the smaller rounds? Do you know the penetration of a 300gr flat nose @750 FPS?
And I love the guys who chime in when a caliber debate comes up who retort "Its' all about shot placement!" Well... Aren't you the smart box awaiting a Nobel prize? I recommend a .22LR so that you can be sure to get that excellent shot placement since you wont have to worry about recoil. Heck... BB guns have improved vastly over the years, and you don't have as many laws prohibiting them. "All things being equal" should be in fine print down at the bottom to remind guys we "know" it matters where the bullets hit.
"All things being equal"
Point of the matter is, I know of NO other round that DOES fill as many variables WITHOUT all the downsides, such as high pressure rounds trying to gain a little in the math of "energy" to make up for their small size all the while exponentially increasing their muzzle blast. The .45 is a great round, except the will always be .05 of legal space above its head that's not being used. We're not trying to just make holes, or rely on "knock down power", we are hoping to contact vital spots, that when broken, render the threat unable to continue and as far as I know, "All things being equal" bigger holes, have bigger chances of that happening. Obviously small percentage but over the course of 1000 shootings, you may find that there is a little math involved even with good shot placements of a lethal wound, or "almost" a lethal wound just mm's away from being the former.
To each his own, but if not a fan that's cool. Just don't spout of with wrong information stated as fact. It's not polite. ; )