Where can I find a comparison of the .50 AE Eagle round versus the .50 G.I. round which is offered as a rebuild on 1911- and Glock-frames? It seems the Eagle puts out the greater OOoomph, but is the 1911-framed / Glock-framed combo more tractable? Inquiring minds wanna know. Dao.
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Sam1911
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Wiki has plenty of information if you're just looking for an overview.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_GI
300 gr TMJ at 700 ft/s for 326 ft·lbf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_AE
300 gr JHP at 1,550 ft/s for 1,600 ft·lbf
From what I've read, the .50 GI is very much like shooting a .45. The bullets can be heavier and are a bit larger, but they run pretty slowly. If you could ever afford to, you could pretty much shoot one as easily as any .45 ACP 1911.
The AE round is a whole different animal. Above even a maxed out .44 Mag. The DE gun is heavy and gas-operated which makes shooting them less trouble than the numbers would have you believe, but it is still a noticeable step up from a Gov't model. Of course, the gun is also quite large so manipulating it ('running' the gun) like you would a service sidearm is probably out of the question, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_GI
300 gr TMJ at 700 ft/s for 326 ft·lbf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_AE
300 gr JHP at 1,550 ft/s for 1,600 ft·lbf
From what I've read, the .50 GI is very much like shooting a .45. The bullets can be heavier and are a bit larger, but they run pretty slowly. If you could ever afford to, you could pretty much shoot one as easily as any .45 ACP 1911.
The AE round is a whole different animal. Above even a maxed out .44 Mag. The DE gun is heavy and gas-operated which makes shooting them less trouble than the numbers would have you believe, but it is still a noticeable step up from a Gov't model. Of course, the gun is also quite large so manipulating it ('running' the gun) like you would a service sidearm is probably out of the question, too.
dogtown tom
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yeah, nothing at all alike except that they are both .50 handgun cartridges. The .50 Action Express is for things like silhouette shooting and hunting, while the .50 Guncrafter Industries is basically a .45 ACP-like service caliber for people who want to carry a really wide slow short bullet and want to spend a ton of money on it too.
SharpsDressedMan
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"Why do you carry a .45?" "Because they don't make a .50, ...er, wait a minute, they DO make a .50........."
Harley Quinn
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I shoot the 50AE in my DE, it is a handful, the other 50 is not
Going by specs alone, never shot the puny one
Going by specs alone, never shot the puny oneInkEd
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I never thought I would say this but.... Go with the Desert Eagle.
lobo9er
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gotta be someone here with a picture of both side by side.
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Justin
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Insofar as buying a gun chambered in a ridiculous cartridge goes, the .50 GI probably has more utility because it can be had in a handgun that can be reasonably carried and run.
Outside of the small niche applications of handgun hunting and range-side willy-waving, I don't see much use in the Desert Eagle.
Outside of the small niche applications of handgun hunting and range-side willy-waving, I don't see much use in the Desert Eagle.
Harley Quinn
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Justin,
True regarding the SD of it...The DE is big, heavy and a handful
I have several barrels in different calibers for my DE also, the one I really prefer is 440 Corbon, now that is one round expensive to shoot even if you reload (buying the dies)
One thing about a DE in 10" it is still overall shorter than a revolver in the big boys, can be carried under your arm Think about it
This will give you an idea about what I have in my DE with all goodies...I could have 10 Glock 21's Plenty of ammo for all of them and change to go shoot at a range
http://www.proguns.com/glock-21.asp
Regards
True regarding the SD of it...The DE is big, heavy and a handful
I have several barrels in different calibers for my DE also, the one I really prefer is 440 Corbon, now that is one round expensive to shoot even if you reload (buying the dies
) One thing about a DE in 10" it is still overall shorter than a revolver in the big boys, can be carried under your arm
Think about itThis will give you an idea about what I have in my DE with all goodies...I could have 10 Glock 21's
Plenty of ammo for all of them and change to go shoot at a rangehttp://www.proguns.com/glock-21.asp
Regards
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Pigoutultra
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I see potential for the .50 GI in a suppressed handgun. If it had a little more velocity, it might be worth it. Pushing a 300 grain bullet at perhaps 950 fps would be cool. Of course that is almost 100 fps faster than the highest listed velocity for a 300 grain bullet on their website.
Thanks, Guys.
SAM1911, DogT-Tom, F-Surfer, Harley-Q [let me know if you are selling your .444 CB dies!], and others : Thanks, because I just wanted the opinions of THR-ers -- even the Willy-envy ones! The stats I looked at didn't involve hands-on experience. Does anyone have experience with the .357-Maxx in Lone Eagle model? I see that one is for sale, elsewhere. It has NO muzzle-brake or flash-suppressor, but the seller says that ear-plugs are enough, since it is a 10-In. bbl. Dies [not carbide] and brass included in the $500. price. No holster, tho'!! (LOL) On the 1911 .50-G.I.: it does swap back to .45ACP when needed, right? And one more impossible idea: an extended bbl on the 1911, re-bored to fit the .50AE pill. Might not have enough bbl-length for the velocity to develop, but then again, that's why we're called Wildcatters. Dao.
SAM1911, DogT-Tom, F-Surfer, Harley-Q [let me know if you are selling your .444 CB dies!], and others : Thanks, because I just wanted the opinions of THR-ers -- even the Willy-envy ones! The stats I looked at didn't involve hands-on experience. Does anyone have experience with the .357-Maxx in Lone Eagle model? I see that one is for sale, elsewhere. It has NO muzzle-brake or flash-suppressor, but the seller says that ear-plugs are enough, since it is a 10-In. bbl. Dies [not carbide] and brass included in the $500. price. No holster, tho'!! (LOL) On the 1911 .50-G.I.: it does swap back to .45ACP when needed, right? And one more impossible idea: an extended bbl on the 1911, re-bored to fit the .50AE pill. Might not have enough bbl-length for the velocity to develop, but then again, that's why we're called Wildcatters. Dao.
Harley Quinn
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Hi, 440C is a keeper
This is for info regarding the Glock and 50 GI
http://www.rockyourglock.com/custom/GlockConversionKits/GL1S.htm
I have Glocks and many barrels for them, not the 50 GI...
Notice in link they are shooting a very low weight bullet, for a reason...Recoil and able to handle it ok
You really need to study up on the 50 AE and what kind of weapon can handle the power...
As I mentioned the 50 GI is puny...
Good luck
This is for info regarding the Glock and 50 GI
http://www.rockyourglock.com/custom/GlockConversionKits/GL1S.htm
I have Glocks and many barrels for them, not the 50 GI...
Notice in link they are shooting a very low weight bullet, for a reason...Recoil and able to handle it ok
You really need to study up on the 50 AE and what kind of weapon can handle the power...
As I mentioned the 50 GI is puny...
Good luck
RevolvingGarbage
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I don't understand the dumping on .50GI. Aside from being ungodly expensive (mostly because you have, what, two firearms that can use it?), its basically a maximized ,45ACP. Everyone wants to call it "puny" because its not a super magnum beast-blaster, but its not supposed to be one.
Harley Quinn
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I think the title says it all and no a 50 is not a 50 as I see it...
Sort of like the 45 GAP and 45 acp in some circles, both are usable as the 50 GI would be, if you want to stay in that arena...50 GI being quite a bit more power, is it worth the dough, to some maybe...I have caught a lot of heat for the $ I put into the DE
But, the 50AE is not in the same power area as a 500 S&W either, sort of where I am coming from, quite a bit more horsepower...
The OP has run it into other items now, so I'll just say, bye...
Sort of like the 45 GAP and 45 acp in some circles, both are usable as the 50 GI would be, if you want to stay in that arena...50 GI being quite a bit more power, is it worth the dough, to some maybe...I have caught a lot of heat for the $ I put into the DE
But, the 50AE is not in the same power area as a 500 S&W either, sort of where I am coming from, quite a bit more horsepower...
The OP has run it into other items now, so I'll just say, bye...
Well the barrel is the least of your concerns if you're going to try to make a 1911 work with the .50 AE. It can't happen basically. The 1911 is not big enough, well maybe the Coonan and Grizzly variations on it are, to fit the .50 AE no matter what you do to the frame. And there is a reason why the Desert Eagle is as big and heavy as it is, and why it uses a gas system to run. Because it needs it for all the hot loads it is designed to run with.
Not really, I mean it does have the mass edge, but overall bullet weight isn't the only thing that impacts terminal performance, sectional density is extremely important in gaining enough momentum to penetrate enough. The .45 ACP has better sectional density and velocity, and those two things allow the .45 ACP to reliably use expanding bullets that still penetrate enough.
I don't know how those big DPX bullets work for the .50 GI, but I'm guessing they went with a four-petal design to reduce drag and increase penetration. Allow more tissue to slip by and in return it doesn't slow to a stop quite as fast. Also the X shape does look pretty cool, and a lot of people who are going to be buying the .50 GI kits are going to be really into the cool factor of it.
That's a good one, I'll have to remember that useful little phrase.
.50 AE is more powerful than .50 GI. .50 AE only comes in an enormous monstrosity of a gun, while the .50 GI at least comes in a manageable 1911 style gun. Both are obscenely impractical IMO. If you want a big bullet just stick with .45.
mesinge2
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If the cost of the 50 GI was at least close to the 45 ACP or even the 44 Magnum and was sold by anybody besides GI, I would consider it.
For example, If I could buy a load from Midway or Cabela's for even $40 for 50 rounds I would consider it. But the ammo has only one source and it is way too overpriced to consider.
Furthermore, a 460 Rowland Kit for a 1911 is only $350 and the ammo much more widely available.
For example, If I could buy a load from Midway or Cabela's for even $40 for 50 rounds I would consider it. But the ammo has only one source and it is way too overpriced to consider.
Furthermore, a 460 Rowland Kit for a 1911 is only $350 and the ammo much more widely available.
lobo9er
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not very high road. Wheres Rbernie on that one
i wonder if you say the same about the rediculous Large revolvers flying around now a days? In my opinion any person could carry (with comfort and concealed) with a good holster a 6" Desert Eagle easier than a few revolvers I have seen of late anyday of the week.
lobo9er
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One more thing on that
If you cant hold a Eagle so that it function properly, I doubt you could fire a smith 500 with any sort of control.
If you cant hold a Eagle so that it function properly, I doubt you could fire a smith 500 with any sort of control.
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