6.8 SPC II the new end all be all?

Which non .223/5.56 or .308 round do you like?

  • 6.8 SPC II

    Votes: 32 42.1%
  • 6.5 Creedmoor

    Votes: 5 6.6%
  • 458 SOCOM

    Votes: 8 10.5%
  • 6.5 Grendal

    Votes: 24 31.6%
  • 30 Remington AR

    Votes: 7 9.2%

  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
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Also from Wikipedia:

The .458 SOCOM is a relatively large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern rifle. The 300-grain (19 g) round offers a muzzle velocity 1,900 ft/s (580 m/s) and a respectable 2,405 ft·lbf (3,261 J). [1] In many respects, it is similar to the venerable .45-70 Government.



This would just be fun!
 
I would not want to shoot the .458 SOCOM all day!!

I did start the thread... I have to admit I have not read the whole thread yet. Lot's of great info. The problem with great boards like these is that my wish list only gets bigger as I read about new ideas and experiences.
 
Yeah, thats the one. IIRC, some later testing he did showed that you can get 2700+ fps with 140gr class bullets, at 55k psi. That would be pretty much ideal, no?
 
Yeah. The idea was not to look for what could be used in the AR-15, but soemthing smaller than a AR-10. The OAL is 2.5" IIRC; and Nolo "designed" a rifle around that. (the Talon he posted there, i don't remember which page)
 
I have been testing the 6.8mm SPC for Alaskan use for the last few 6 months now. I have handloaded and fired about 1,200 rounds, as well as fired about 150 rounds of factory loads. I keep all the brass form my experiments seperate and I use two chronographs in tandem for velocity testing.

I have been able to consistently load accurate ammunition for the 6.8mm which falls into the power range appropriate for anti-personnel use and light game.

90 grain (270 caliber) Sierra Hollow Points at 2,895 fps from a 16 inch barrel and 3,000 fps from a 20 inch barrel.

110 grain Sierra soft points, Nosler 110 grain boat-tails and Horady Boat tails loaded to 2,550 fps from a 16 inch barrel and 2,645fps from a 20 inch barrel.

130 grain Sierras to 2,230 fps from a 16 inch and 2,310 from a 20 inch.

I even loaded some 150 grain round nose bullets to 1,950 fps from the 16 inch barrel and had to single load them. They actually shot a 1.5 inch group at 100 yards.

All the factory loads were 100 fps slower than advertised. And not nearly as accurate as my handloads. The factory ammo seeming to avergae about 2.5 inch groups while my best handloads are 0.50 to 0.75 nch average at the same distance. Some handloads group even better.

The case size, which is restricted by the action size, means all these loads are top end and showing a good deal of pressure. Basically there is no room for improvement other than imaginery.

Hunting:

The problem is that here in Alaska, the only (four legged) game animals of the proper size for this cartridge are Sitka Black Tail Deer and Caribou. Both of which happen to live in areas with rather large Brown Bears. That is why many folks up here like the 458 SOCOM or 50 Grendel.

So maybe a winter (bears asleep) Caribou hunt would work with the 6.8mm SPC, but caribou are not as easy to kill as some folks would like to think.

Island deer hunts would be asking for trouble since the 6.8mm SPC is marginal for anything over 250 pounds, much less a half ton of grizzley who takes a liking to your smell.

I even though about Mountain Goats since they are not all that heavy. They too are rather hard to put down with marginal calibers and most shots I have taken over the last 40 years of shooting have been fairly long.


All in all the 6.8mm SPC is ok for anything up to about 250 pounds within 300 yards.
 
gvnwst,

I was wondering if there was talk about the magazine capacity of the 6.5GT, because it is a somewhat blown out case correct?
If i fixed that correctly, i really don't remember. I can ask Nolo though. Really, just think of the 7.62x39 or any case based off of it, they will have the same capacity for the same length (top to bottom) mag, the 6.5GTs will just have a longer body. (front to back)

I can't remember about blowing out either, but all that would do is reduce the curve of the mag, wouldn't effect capacity at all I would think.
 
Is the 6.8 SPC II the end-all, be all,

FOR THE WORLD MILITARIES USING AN M16 PLATFORM WHO NEED TO SAVE MONEY BY RETROFITTING CURRENT RIFLES WITH A DIFFERENT BARREL & MAG, AND REQUIRE A RIFLE CONTROLLABLE IN FULL AUTO, OR FOR CITIZENS WHO HAVE ALREADY SHELLED OUT A BUNDLE FOR A REGISTERED M16 LOWER?

Yeah, probably. The tapered case is more reliable than the grendel round and the caliber tradeoff is about right (though a true 6.5 would be better). Either that or the hypothetical 6.5 GT - THR - Nolo, as mentioned/discussed.

Now, the more important question perhaps is, Is it the end-all, be-all for YOU and ME? No, it's not BAD by any stretch, but no I don't think the tradeoffs are correct anymore. For the masses, without registered M16/M4 lowers, I'm liking a lightweight AR10 type chambered in .243 win, .25 Durham Jet, or .260 Rem as the ultimate do-it-all rifle where full-auto controllability and use of existing platforms are not issues - i.e. for YOU and ME. Go here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5537483&postcount=20
 
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chambered in .243 win, .25 Durham Jet, or .260 Rem as

Dr. Tad,

One of my conciderations is SBR. I would SBR the 6.8spc but don't hitnk I would SBR a .308 based round.

Until your post I never hear any thing about the 1/4 inchers. Why is that?
 
Personally, if i were going SBR, i would not choose 6.8 or 6.5grendel, i would go with a .30 whisper or a 7.62x39 upper. Those calibers are better suited to short barrels, expically if you cook up some subsonic loads.
 
I got some more info from Nolo, so:
Was wondering if there was talk about magazine capacity of the 6.5GT because it is a somewhat blown out case correct?
The case was blown out a bit from the first version, but the taper is equal to or less than the 5.56.
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3599538&postcount=78
The talon rifle he has pictured in the thread has a mag for 20 rounds on it, but a 30 round would be standard. (he just couldn't draw it.)
 
chambered in .243 win, .25 Durham Jet, or .260 Rem as

Dr. Tad,

One of my conciderations is SBR. I would SBR the 6.8spc but don't hitnk I would SBR a .308 based round.

Until your post I never hear any thing about the 1/4 inchers. Why is that?
 
Reming already went through this in the early to mid 1900's with the original 30 remington.

All based on the same case and aparently still is.

30 remington-aka 30-30 remington
then came the 25 and 32 remington both necked down or up version of the 30 remington.

only the 30 remington stuck around for almost 100 years then came the 6.8spc a necked down shortened version of the 30 remington now the 6.8II and now the 30 remington ar.

Why are they continously re inventing the wheel? They are making the same misteak they mad 50 or so years ago. Trying to market to every one for everything based on the same base round and ultimately an excuse to make more guns that in 20 or less years no one will beable to find the ammo for.

Seems pretty pointless. Why not just go back to the origional 30 remington design which worked well for 100 years and build an ar around that?
 
Seems pretty pointless. Why not just go back to the origional 30 remington design which worked well for 100 years and build an ar around that?

Try to cram a 30 remington cartridge in an AR 15 magwell and you'll have your answer
 
Try to cram a 30 remington cartridge in an AR 15 magwell and you'll have your answer
Well they did it with a 308! duh!:banghead: Ok that was a joke but they did, thats why I said build an Ar around the old 30 remington.

People gripe and moan about the 30 carbine and if you liik at the remington site for ballistics the 30 remington ar looks about the same so I dont see as to where they are getting anything here. Come on 15 grains more and roughly 100-200 fps faster. I am willing to bet you can load a similar bullet into a 30 carbine and get the same. I loaded 110 up to 2300 fps before.

Why not build a 30 carbine ar?
 
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