642 Club Part Deux

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Evyl

586L Comp one of my all time favorites. Whenever I have encountered one it has been $950 Plus. Is that still the case?

They are simply great looking and excellent in balance. I have a 686 CS-1 no dash 3 inch barrel and it is one of those "if you could only have one handgun" gun.

2001 posts. We are headed for 642 Club part tres.

I'm moving to TN soon and until I become a resident I will have to come to FL to do transfers.
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Binge this week:
Smith Model 60
Ruger Mini 14
Ruger 10/22
 
Finally time to come out and post on THR, I've been lurking for some time. Brought home a 442 for the little lady today. She's been talking about learning to shoot and getting a carry card but I haven't been able to get her to focus on how to handle my semi's. So I thought I'd try her on an Airweight, sort of hoping she wouldn't like the fit and I would inherit it. Wrong.
So now we'll probably end up a two x42 family, maybe get a 642CT just for fun.
I've read a few dozen pages of 642 Club parts Un et Deux, great stuff. But 7000+ posts. Puhleeze! So here's my question: If I need to ask some stupid newbie questions, would you please be gentle? Just give me a post number and I'll take it from there.
Thanks for your tolerance.
Oh yeah, great site, thanks a lot for costing me a grand eventually probably. I put 15 rounds through 'her' new pistol today and I guess I'm a goner.
mcb
 
The holster with the elastic in the front that jt1 says to draw through the elastic........What holster is that, it looks nice and thin if it is an IWB holster? I can't find where you guys orignally started talking about it. If that's not an IWB then what really thin holsters do you guys suggest for that carry method?
 
Wooden Grips vs. Rubber Grips

I really like the looks of the wooden grips.........

Is there a major difference in the feel of recoil when going from rubber to wooden grips?

Although I like the look, to me function outweighs beauty.....although if there is not much of a difference I would like to go with beauty.......

I apologize if this has been asked and answered previously, if so please direct me to the page I should be reading........

Thanks
 
look at the back of the rubber grips you have now. If they are not overmolded grips, meaning you can see the metal frame in the back; then there is probably no difference as you already have the metal frame kicking you in the hand. Even if you have overmolded grips, if they are made of hard and/or thin rubber you probably wont notice that much.

You don't have to sell your old grips if you buy new ones; buy some wooden ones for the road and use the rubber ones for the range.......or just try it and if it doesn't bother your sell your rubber ones; if it does resell the wood ones.

EDIT: The length of the grip makes a big deal in recoil management as well; a full hand grip will perceive less recoil than a two finger one, so factor that in as well.
 
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Wooohooo!

Howdy folks. It's been awhile since I posted here in the 642 club. Back in the original thread Nematocyst appointed me K Frame Ambassador to the 642 club. At the time I had an original M38 Airweight Bodyguard. Alas, money got tight going back to school and I had to sell the M38 to help pay tuition while awaiting financial aid a few months ago.

Now financial aid has kicked in, and reimbursed me for the tuition I paid out of pocket (and out of J frame). Today a 642-1 came in on trade at work. Given the circumstances my boss exempted me from the "Employees may not buy used J Frames & used Glocks" rule. I'll have it tonight - Wooohooo!
 
Welcome

MCB, hope you don't mind but the less typing the better.
my question: If I need to ask some stupid newbie questions, would you please be gentle?
Yeah, why not everyone else does it;)
Perhaps purchasing two X42s you can single handedly drive up the SWHC stock. Something or someone needs to. :D

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XD Shooter. I hear Bob Mika makes an IWB for the X42, anyone have one.
SpeedClassic is a great OWB, I bought one a few months ago. You do need a good strong hefty belt though to pull through the elastic. It's tight as it should be since there is not a strap to hold it in.

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ugaarguy welcome back. We figured you were in Brazil doing X42 missionary work amongst the indigenous people. Great you are back amongst us and have the X42 approval.
 
New 442!!!!

Great to finally be a part of this club! You guys are some 642/442 gurus!! Great advice here!
My first question is whether anyone has seen/heard of having a smith put nite sights on these J-frames? I am interested in the edge this could give me.
And im not sure if this would hurt my warranty either??
Another question is whether or not anyone here carries Glaser Safety Slugs??
Likes and dislikes about this ammo? I live in a crowded neighborhood where I can reach out the window and bang my head on the house next door!!!
Thanks and I am gonna post pics and range report as soon as I can!!!
 
I have one of Robert's IWBs. I had him put a 25 degree cant on mine and it needs more. I works as well an any IWB. The problem I have is I don't really have a butt and if I wear pants loose enough to carry IWB and have the clearance necessary to draw effectively my pants sag. Oh well, such is life.
 
For The Record:

2013 posts for the 642 Club Part Duex, a testament to an outstanding revolver and the amazing family who make this thread arguably the best on the internet and without a doubt the premier source of X42 and associated information available anywhere.

The original 642 Club thread consisting of the first 5002 posts currently resides on page 37 of the archives.

As of this post the 642 Club membership totals 777 folks.

Our newest menbers:

menohearclicksound, alexa071, SarcoBlaster, freebird, orchidhunter, IDCC, davidconatser, hartg01, huff, glockerglocker, Evyl Robot, TurboJeff, XDShooter07, 1/7GRUNT - Welcome to the 642 club. We are happy to have you here with us.

Thanks to THR Administrators and Moderators for all you do to make this possible...

And least we forget...Thank You..fiVe...
 
Thanks to THR Administrators and Moderators for all you do to make this possible...

And least we forget...Thank You..fiVe...
Hear hear!

Just ducking in momentarily during a break from working for the survival of my business.

Seriously behind in reading, but haven't lost interest.

Rough week coming, but I'll check in when I can ...

Uga, good to have you official now.

Keep them x42 stoked. You never know when ...

Nem
 
glocker: no problem.

Harpo & DA: Thanks, that blackhawk would make a nice winter rig under a coat for me; it'd be nice for the range too.

jt1: thanks for the welcome. I joined this forum because I found the original 642 club doing a google search; read the entire post and then found out there was another one.....my jaw dropped and I broke out the foldgers so I could read the next one. You're right there's no better amount of info on these little J-frames than in these pages; I've done a lot of searching and haven't found anything even close. fiVe must be a legend.
 
In order to bring my 627 Pro home, I had to say adios to something... my cobweb covered Ruger SAs were selected. They went to the club's range for one of our semi-annual flea markets. One went in trade immediately for a less thsn a month old, and still virgin, Seecamp .32 - and a C-note. A friend had bought it, a fancy holster, and some too-dear ammo - carried it a few times - and went back to his 642.

My original choice for my wife was a 642 - but it wasn't hers. A flat KelTec was more to her liking - until she tried her brother's EDC - and, we only got three of fifty to go bang... what a POS. Then she saw the $500 Seecamp at the pusher's... and, while pondering, it was bought. Back to my 2" 10 as her car gun - and no EDC/CCW.

I nearly forgot about the re-ordered Seecamps... my wife didn't, the longer the wait, the more she wanted one. I started working on her - a new 642CT was a few bucks more - and better protection - and in-stock. Then, they got two in - and my friend got the first, the second departing before I could get there. Now I have one for her... at the cost of an older Ruger.

At the range yesterday, the Seecamp was shot for the first time - worked like a fine clock. Sadly, all you can hit at 12yd for sure was the berm - the metal plates were unscathed. My 627 Pro exhibited an odd ftf with only my Win primed fare - 100% reliable with Feds. Hmmrmph. Then I heard "Hey, don't forget me!" coming from my pocket. Out came my little 'friend', my 642 - and it quickly dispatched five for five of the 6" steel plates at 12yd with my carry ammo - Remi +P 158gr LHPSWCs. It seemed happy - the newbie still gloated "I'm new... he shot me a lot more - he's going to miss a lot of Happy Meals paying for me!". The little guy just smiled "I go with him everywhere... I'll even get cleaned tonite for church tomorrow!". They both seemed quiet after that. I'll remember my meds this AM.

I regret that a 642 wouldn't do for my wife - and that I had to 'buy' a careless and rude case-tosser for her. It's better for her pockets, I suppose. No, she won't give me the 2" 10 back... it's still her bedside/car gun.

Stainz
 
In a pevious post in this thread, I bought a 642 this past Friday.

I went to the range yesterday and put 100 rounds through it.

I had been carry a model 36, but the 642 is so much lighter. I'm currently pocket carrying as a bug. I'm using a pretty nice Safariland.

I ordered a Mika round pocket holster. I can't wait for it to arrive.

I also ordered a CT Lg-405 grip.

I'll get some pics up soon.
 
Stainz

Funny stuff, you DO need to get on or back on the meds. Had me chuckling.

I like me Seecamp .380 for quick trips, deep conceal events where even a J Frame might be a bit lumpy. I was going to get a .32 at half the price, but I knew I would never be happy until I had the .380. What a handful. I'll bet that .32 is much better behaved based on my experience shooting a KT .32 my son owns.

627 Pro. That thing should be flawless.

I remember watching two guys a the range with two new R8s. One ran 100% the other failed to fire about every third round. Same ammo both brand new right out of the box. Don't know what happened or why but I'll bet one got a call tag.
 
I went camping with the family over the weekend to a Texas State Park near DFW that I've been to dozens of times, but this was the first time since I've had my CHL. Because of the heat, I elected to take the 642 and pocket carry rather than take the XD40 and carry IWB. I chose the Nemesis holster because it has a little better retention than the everyday Mika Round Cut since I might be hiking, climbing over things, etc., etc., etc. I threw a couple of 2x2 speed strips in the off pocket, and essentially forgot it was there all weekend. The couple of times I decided to hit the lake, I just locked it in the glovebox.

For those of you not from around here, state parks in Texas list firearms as prohibited items in their posted rules, however the head of the department has issued a clarification letter indicating that those licensed to carry in Texas are exempted and welcome to carry in the park.

God Bless Texas!
 
Old School Pic of The Week

DA, Nem, thanks for the official welcome.
ugaarguy - Sweet, a pre-lock 642! Way to go.
I must give credit where it's due. Week before last a co-worker asked if I had any use for a Bucheimer holster that will fit either a Smith J Frame or a Colt D Frame. I told him that my ratty old Colt Cobra (picked up in such condition as a beater gun) could ride in it for now. Then,I was lucky, an appropriate gun for such a fine piece of leather, namely pre-lock 642, would come in on trade. He brought me the holster earlier this past week. Lo and behold a 642-1 showed up Friday night; ready for me to buy yesterday. He made the stars align for me, and I really owe him a couple.

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Range Report - SD Ammo

Okay, this has been a long time coming. I tested 3 different loads for SD in my 642 about 2 weeks ago. However, before getting a chance to post I became very ill with the absolute worst stomach bug around. Vicious little !@#$. Sickest I've ever been in my life, I was seriously considering the hospital, and I hate going to the Dr!

I am well now, so here's my very informal observations of the loads I tested. I was basically looking at muzzle flash in a darkened environment, bullet pull under recoil/g, felt recoil, accuracy in my 642 and ease of reloading using an HKS speedloader (#36).

Loads:

- Speer Gold Dot 135 Grain +P JHP (current carry load), herein referred to as "SGD".

- Double Tap 125 Grain +P JHP with Speer low velocity bullets, "DT".

- Remington Lead Semiwadcutter Hollowpoint 158 Grain +P, "FBI Load".

Note: I am not much into things like "energy transfer", velocity and things of that sort. Shot placement and sufficient penetration are more critical in a gunfight, IMO, than 250 vs 350 ft-lbs of energy. For those interested, I think the DTs are the hottest loads on paper, doing a tad over 1100 fps out of a 1 7/8" barrel with about 300+ ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle.

Muzzle Flash

I had a great opportunity to test for muzzle flash at the indoor range I frequent, as a private security company was having qualification day and part of the test was conducted in almost total darkness. Indoors in lighted conditions, I always thought the FBI load had more flash than the SGDs. However, in a pitch black room there was hardly any noticeable difference at all. I was surprised by this, I thought the FBI Load would have been noticeably brighter. But it wasn't.

Another thing: the flash wasn't as blinding as I thought it would be in near total darkness. But this session did give me a warm fuzzy about my other carry gun, a 5" 1911 45 ACP, which had less flash than the 642.

Again, all 3 loads were about the same.

Advantage: Tie

Bullet Pull

I had previously tested the SGDs and FBI Load for bullet pull under recoil, but I retested them along with the initial tests for the DT ammo. Basically, I observed the last round in the chamber after firing the first four for any evidence of the bullet backing out of the case. I then removed that 5th round and added to the next cylinder load to see how much worse it would get. I would have measured the exact OALs with my digital calipers, but they broke that morning :fire: . All 3 loads exhibited some very minor "backing out", say .02" or so at most.

So again, all three loads passed.

Advantage: Tie

Felt Recoil

Honestly, there wasn't much difference between the three, which I would describe as "stout", but not at all unmanageable. The DTs seemed to be a touch sharper/snappier than the other two, while the FBI Load had a bit heavier push than the others. The SGDs seem to split the difference.

None were what I'd call unpleasant, and no single round had an advantage over the other.

Advantage: Tie

Accuracy

Like felt recoil, accuracy is highly subjective. So take my words with a grain of salt.

I was having a decent day (not my best), but at least I felt I was consistent. This is where one of the three began to show an edge for me: The FBI Load. It grouped about the same as the other two, but the POA vs POI was slightly better (the others were a tad low). At 7 yds, there just isn't going to be much of a difference. But again, it is worth noting that S&W fixed sight 38s are regulated for use with 158 grain bullets, so this isn't surprising.

Advantage (for me): FBI Load.

Ease of Reloading

I carry one or two reloads using an HKS speedloader, so this to me was an important test. It also reminded me that I need to have the charge holes on my fighting handguns chamfered some day to facilitate speedier reloads.

Here, two loads performed about the same: SGDs and DTs. The smaller, JHPs of these 135 and 125 grain loads were noticeably easier to line up with the cylinder holes and slide in than the 158 grain lead FBI Load. In theory, the 125 grain DTs should be a tad easier to load than the SGDs, but I couldn't tell much difference here. But I'll give the DTs the nod. As a side note, I've heard the easist hollowpoints to reload are the copper Cor Bon 110 grain DPX +P, with their thin, tall, pointed bullets. Makes reloading with a speedloader or speedstrip a snap. But they are EXPENSIVE.

Advantage: DT

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There are other factors, notably availability and cost. 38 hollowpoint ammo is tough to find in my area, so I have to make my purchases online regardless, with the exception of the SPGs, though they are getting more difficult to find, what with at least one local PD in my region issuing a large number of 642s as BUGs :cool:. As for cost, the DTs seem to be the cheapest:

DT: $32 (with shipping) for 50
FBI: $37 (with shipping) for 50
SGD: $25 (local, when they're in stock) for 20

Basically, given all of the above, I've switch my primary carry load in my 642. I've got her stoked with the FBI Load, while I carry the DTs as a reload. This seems to be the most prudent arrangement for me, as I shot the 158 LSWCHP a tad better, but the DTs and SGDs were easier to reload. I'd be just as happy with the SGDs as a reload, I just don't have any in my stockpile right now ;) .

Hope this is helpful.
 
TiteGroup Load for 642

I have a pile of Win38 125gr JHP bullets and several pounds of TiteGroup. I want to load a fairly light recoil indoor short range round for a 642. Would appreciate specific recommendations of grains and COL. I'm using a Lee Classic Turret for loading...

Thanks,

Vista
 
Titegroup Powder

Vista, here are the values from "Loadbooks.com" --

125 gr. bullet
Regular load is 4.3 gr. with a max of 4.6gr.
For +P load, 5.0 gr.
COL is 1.455"

I am using the same bullets and powder. I find the felt recoil from the +P
load much easier to handle than the Speer Gold Dot +P.

I am also experimenting with Unique powder. The Titegroup powder is easier
to work with due the the smaller granulation of the powder.


Gary C
 
Rounds

jad-
Nice write up and thanks for sharing. Apparently one cannot go wrong with any of the three loads. Price and availability may be the driving factor.
I have any one of three that work for me I keep an eye out for and pick up a box or two when available. That way I am never in a bind for loadage.
Glad you are feeling better, I had that bug a year ago. Bad stuff, talk about being put out of ones misery. I probably needed an IV at one point.

Vista-
There is a great thread on the Loading/Reloading section discussing replica loads for .38spl and .357 light loads where applicable.
Jim H., bentfoto and company has done an excellent job.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=349276&highlight=replica+loads
 
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