642 Club Part Deux

[C96]

lg&m said: Shooting occasionally with out protection should not do any permanent damage to your hearing.

That's some really bad advice. You might get lucky but it is foolish to bet on it.

It's more than just the loss of hearing, it's also the amount of noise being generated in you ear from damaged nerves.

I have enough time in the offices of ear specialists to know it is not something you tough out.

You can't always use hearing protection, crap happens, but if you have a choice do not scrimp on your hearing protection.

I'm sure there are enough old gunners on here that would say amen to lots of hearing protection.

Allan

 

[AZAndy]

Cylinder latch modification?

Does anyone offer a "melted" cylinder latch doohickey for the x42? Or one of some different shape? I'm gonna take a grinder to mine if it bites me one more time.

Seriously considering just taking it off for range sessions, and sliding it back on for each reload. Sure wish there were a left-handed version of the gun with the latch on the other side; that would be perfect!

Thanks,

Andy

 

[ugaarguy]

Shooting occasionally with out protection should not do any permanent damage to your hearing.

Actually it can.
http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/noise.asp

However, when we are exposed to harmful noise—sounds that are too loud or loud sounds that last a long time—sensitive structures in our inner ear can be damaged, causing noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL). These sensitive structures, called hair cells, are small sensory cells in the inner ear that convert sound energy into electrical signals that travel to the brain. Once damaged, our hair cells cannot grow back

NIHL can be caused by a one-time exposure to an intense “impulse” sound, such as an explosion, or by continuous exposure to loud sounds over an extended period of time, such as noise generated in a woodworking shop.

Sources of noise that can cause NIHL include motorcycles, firecrackers, and small firearms, all emitting sounds from 120 to 150 decibels. Long or repeated exposure to sounds at or above 85 decibels can cause hearing loss.

Exposure to impulse and continuous noise may cause only a temporary hearing loss.

The hearing loss may only be temporary, but why risk permanent hearing loss? EAR/Peltor offer the same dual sided earplugs issued to the US Armed Forces. One side is for exposure to constant noise, and the other is valved to allow hearing of normal sound, but block out loud impulse sound. I use these and they work great. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=453211
Also, there are inexpensive electronic ear muffs available now. I've used these, and they work very well http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=671923. Midway also lists some lower priced units from Caldwell which I don't have any experience with. Either way, isn't your hearing worth at least an $11 set of plugs? Is it worth trying out a $25 set of electronic ear muffs? Is it worth a $60 set of electronic ear muffs?

 

[J642]

I always wear hearing protection.. no exceptions. If I come into a situation where I can't, well I can't. I do think it's at least worth considering when choosing a gun to carry, but I think I'm in the minority on that.

I wasn't really trying to start a debate about hearing protection. I was just wondering if there's any data out there comparing the dBs of snubs vs. autoloaders of comparable size.

 

[AStone]

Graduating to a M&P 340 is just a part of growing up.

I hope to own an M&P 340 someday, but I promise to never, ever grow up.

(Adults can be such a drag ... )

 

[jt1]

Here's my two Afghani's take on the hearing protection issue; yes, it's agreed that any loud noise can cause permanent damage and should be avoided. Having said that I will fire a round or two of any new carry ammo without protection to gauge dB and concussion, indoors and out, there are sometimes sigificant differences between similar loads and I need to know before hand what to expect if the need arises. This is part of a CQC training regime and it is not recommend for casual shooting. In answer to the OP, I too find the J's to be loud, more so than a similar size littergun, but then as I think about it most all CF revolvers are louder than BF pistols of similar caliber.

M&P...I too have been considering these...in the 9mm/45auto brasschucker flavor

 

[AStone]

M&P...I too have been considering these...in the 9mm/45auto brasschucker flavor

<gasp>



OK, I'm over it.

 

[btg3]

Shooting occasionally with out protection should not do any permanent damage to your hearing.

If only this were true. Sadly, the fact is that hearing lossing from shooting without ear protection is:
PROGRESSIVE
PERMANENT
PREVENTABLE

You may not notice a small amount of hearing loss for a while, but the cumulative effect is inescapable.

 

[machinecraig]

Is there room in the clubhouse for one more?

Hi Folks,

I'm a long time lurker - and a new owner of a 642-2! I've been reading through the 642 club archives and it's been an incredible source of information. I think S&W should be kicking a comission back to the club (or THR), it definitely helped me make up my mind.

I picked mine up for $439 NIB from a local shop (Greentop in Ashland, VA) as well as an Uncle Mike's #3 pocket holster. It's no news to anyone here - but the 642 really disappears when it's in a pocket. I'm hoping for a chance to shoot it soon!

 

[1084]

Just wanted to say hi! Been carryin J frames for a long time and these are my constant companions. Ebony & Ivory as my wife calls them. One in each pocket is comfortable and QUITE comforting. I always carry both at the same time so when someone askes me what I carry they are quick to tell me that Smith and Wesson does not make any gun called a 1084, thats when the math skills from grade school come in handy. 642 + 442 = 1084.

 

[lg&m]

OK I worded my last post poorly. Yes hearing protection is VERY important. I use it every time I go to the range indoors or out and at work when needed. However I would rather take a chance of doing some damage to my hearing then chance getting shot because I did not want to shoot with out it or did not hear the Goblin in the dark because I was wearing it all the time. We should do all we can to keep all our senses sharp & alert. Sorry it I mislead anyone or miss understood the question.

 

[lg&m]

Almost forgot welcome 1084 that's a nice set you have their.

 

[AStone]

MachineCraig (MacCraig?) and 1084, welcome in. We're glad you're here.

Mac, great to hear of folks spending times in the archives.

Wow. The archives. A little bit of internet history in there. Seems like such a short time ago ...

...Smith and Wesson does not make any gun called a 1084, thats when the math skills from grade school come in handy. 642 + 442 = 1084.

Well, that's a creative user name. As a math oriented kind of person, I like it.

And yes, what a fine duo of revolvers. Our friend Jt has a set just like that. I'm heading in that direction myself.

OK, back to work. My business is still in deeper water than I want to be, but treading water, and beginning to see a shore line.

Nem

 

[roadrash 1]

I have been a member here for a while,don't post much(read mostly)
Figured it was time to officially join the 642 club.Here is mine.

 

[fiVe]

Just thought I better check in. Been busy with work and a vacation to Branson. The 642 went everywhere with us in my Mika round-cut--it was great!

I've tried to get caught up with my reading here. It is so heart-warming to see the continued growth. To ALL the newbies: A hearty welcome!

Nem: I'm not sure I understand everything that is going on with you, but I hope it is going well.

Thanks to THR Administrators and Moderators for all you do to make this possible...

And least we forget...Thank You..fiVe...

Yes, thank you admins/mods for your support. Thank you, Oleg, for THR. And thank you, jt, for keeping us up-to-date on the Club's stats.

fiVe must be a legend.

A nice thought, XD, but also a bit of a stretch. The 642 Club exceeded my expectations a long, long time ago. I'm proud of what we have here in both threads, but we have it because of all the good people here. I just wanted to tell folks about my new revolver and learn as much as I could about it. My thanks to everyone for making the Club what it is today.

Peace,

fiVe

 

[Wayne11]

Wax bullets,

I have been playing with some wax bullets off an on and am finding them fun and useful. The range I attend does not allow me to draw and fire, so I have only been able to practice my draw while dry firing. I would quickly and cleanly pull my weapon and click at a target, never knowing for sure where that imaginary bullet went and how effective it was. Now with the wax bullets I can practice my draw and see where those bullets are going. I have been able to maintain my speed and improve my accuracy.

Even better than the draw practice has been the setting up of what I call my “tactical range”. I live in the country and have a small woods behind the house. I took ten silhouette targets mounted them on cardboard and tacked them up in a stand of young Bull Pine. I put them in a semi circle at ranges of 2 to 7 yards. With the thick growth the targets with each step into the circle are hidden, partially hidden, or in plan view. Each step presents me with a different set of targets at different ranges. I quickly walk into the “range” draw and fire at those targets in view. I do well enough at the range point shooting with good center mass hits. Moving and shooting multiple targets at different ranges was a great deal harder and still is. I have gotten better and hope to continue to improve. I can only shoot about 30 rounds before I have to clean the gun, but it only takes a few minuets and I’m right back at it. After the one time cost of brass each round is costing me less than 5 cents. I will try and get some pictures after I’ve improved enough to show my targets on the post.

 

[huff]

Like this little gun, spend alot of time with the 1911, but it is just nice to be able to put the 642 in a pocket and forget about it, just a great carry gun.

 

[ranger7]

Since I already have several pre-lock x42s, I've decided to share one of mine. Probably the best of my x42s - a 342PD



http://tinyurl.com/59qvsh

 

[DAdams]

1084

Welcome and nice Flitz job on the ammo. I like a man who wants his pics to be all they can be.

jt1 I hear you on the M&P autopuker. As soon as the 45c is out I'm in.

They have had some nice incentives lately and it is alot of pistol for the money.

 

[Grocked]

Problems With 642 Visibility During Pocket Carry!

I'm the proud owner of a new 642. I have a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster that I love. The only problem I have with pocket carry in this holster is that the gun can be seen by someone behind me looking into my pocket! No matter what pants I wear the gun never seems to get deep enough in the pocket to truly conceal the back strap. How do you pocket carriers handle the issue of the visible metal back strap of the 642. Even if I had a 442 the gun still wouldn't get deep enough in any pocket to truly be concealed... Does anyone recommend pocket carrying the 642 without a holster?

 

[david_the_greek]

So I'm getting near the 100rnd mark. Was at the range the other day and wow... I suck with this thing. No way around it. Out at about 7-10 yards = embarrassing. I can pretty much keep it in the head on a silhouette, though without much precision.

Whats everyones sight picture looking like? 6oclock to the target, or right on? I suppose this is going to make me seriously develop a better trigger pull with no last minute pushing/jerking to the sides. On a happier note, traded a few rounds through my 442 and 1911 for a few rounds through a sig 556 with acog. mmmm fun. Sweet rifle, sweet scope. Like my AR better but wish I had that scope!

 

[ranger7]

I have noticed that there is a little exposure of my pocket carry. Someone would have to be in the righgt spot and really be looking to see it and they would have to know what they are seeing. I am carrying legally so I think it's an acceptable risk, based on my state's CC laws. YMMV

 

[DAdams]

Grocked

Welcome aboard. I don't have that problem with pocket carry in a Mika roundcut. Maybe it's my deep pockets.

I have touted the benefit of Columbia Lander pants since they have a normal pocket and behind the normal pocket, there is another pocket which is quite deep and has a zipper. There are of course trade offs having the pocket zippered closed, but it is so deep you may not find it necessary.

There have been others on this thread that have favorite carry slacks.

5.11 Tactical makes carry slacks, Sig has a line of pants for carry.

Google "concealed carry pants", that will keep you busy evaluating for awhile.

Good luck. Let us know how you make out.

 

[Camjr]

I'm the proud owner of a new 642. I have a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster that I love. The only problem I have with pocket carry in this holster is that the gun can be seen by someone behind me looking into my pocket! No matter what pants I wear the gun never seems to get deep enough in the pocket to truly conceal the back strap. How do you pocket carriers handle the issue of the visible metal back strap of the 642. Even if I had a 442 the gun still wouldn't get deep enough in any pocket to truly be concealed... Does anyone recommend pocket carrying the 642 without a holster?

For jeans, I've found that the Cabela's jeans have very deep front pockets that swallow up the 642 in a Mika or Nemesis very well.

Cheers!

 

[AStone]

Nem: I'm not sure I understand everything that is going on with you, but I hope it is going well.

fiVe, I"m not sure I totally understand what's going on with me either, but for now, I'll blame it on a very difficult economy, my poor business skills, and some bad luck. Looks like we're going to pull it out (with the great help of a new skilled interim business manager), but it's still dicey.

Having said that, it's great to check in here to see all is cooking in x42-ville.

Master Sergeant at Arms DA on deck.

Greek, don't worry too much about that 7 - 10 yd result. Remember, the little mule isn't a target gun.
It's an up-close-and-personal protection snub. Point and shoot. Don't aim it. Point and shoot.
Remember, it will most likely be used on a perp closing in from 7-10 yds,
not for a gun fight at 7 -10.

OK, back to work. Carry on.

Smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

Nem