642 Club Part Deux

[Stainz]

Well, here is what was once a 4.6" SBH - a new Seecamp .32 for my wife. She said another x42 was too big - go figure. That's real ammo - really expensive - 20 Hornadys were $22 locally. I got the brand new Seecamp, ammo, $65 leather pocket holster (Yuck - she needs a Mikas'!), and one of them folding green pictures of Janet Reno - or Ben Franklin, I forget who...

When she went out to shoot it a week ago last Sat, she let the original owner shoot it - once - she's tight with that ammo. I did find a bigger box (50 vs 25) of Win Silvertips - the Seecamp suggested load - old priced at a small shop for $19.95. I don't like it - but it's what she wanted. The 642 is not threatened in the least - and she still has a 2" 10 for the car.



Stainz

 

[wjh2657]

Bianchi Pocket Change Holster

See below picture of my 642 in Bianch Ranger Pocket Change Holster (Model 4501, Size 1.) I have Mika on order, but this one is working out fine. It doesn't print and is sticky to stay in pocket. I find it very positive for draw and reholster. I've worn it with Dockers, jeans and cargo shorts with no problems. The grips are Badgergrip rosewood boot grips. I have a small hand and they fit perfect. I have Badgergrips on all of my S&Ws (686 2 1/4", 60, and the 642)

 

[wjh2657]

Self Defense System (Battery)

Below are the guns spoken of above. I also have a Glock 20.40 S&W that I really like, but I am getting older and had to go back to the wheelgun for simplicity sake. Too many eye-hand coordination tasks fuzzle my brain housing group! I use .38 Special in all 3 (+ps in 686 and 60, standard pressure in 642.)

686: Night stand and car .
60: IWB when I can wear an outside garment (sweater or jacket.)
642: Pocket carry in casual clothing (most used).

 

[DAdams]

Exposure Equals Big Trouble

Accidentally exposing your concealed handgun can leave you wishing for less excitement in your life.

While we are on the subject of exposure I received an email with a link to an article published in USCCA.

Some interesting "exposure" tales.

http://usconcealedcarry.org/free/bigtrouble.html

I guess it is just me, but when I see someone in street clothes who does not appear to be a socio or psychopath carrying, I assume LE or perhaps an overexposed CCW. Neither raises much concern in my book.

Master Sergeant at Arms DA on deck.

At Station. Different venue. Tennessee instead of Florida these days.

WJH welcome and nice line-up.

Stainz-



My 642 does get jealous .38 spl +P vs. .380. The 340 in .357, not so much.
The Seecamp is more "muleish" than the "mule".

 

[kayl]

So I'm going to be buying a 642 soon...because of this thread.
I went to Wally world today and bought 600 rounds of ammo. 300 of the WWB regular fmj .38 Special and 300 of the Remington sjhp +p rounds. The Remington rounds were only like .15 cents more per box, so I figured I'd try some of the +p rounds. How are the Remington rounds for SD?

I'm going to order a Mika holster, any other recommended accessories?

 

[J642]

Well the LG-405's came in last week, Friday I think, and I finally got up to the range to test them out. I've done some dry firing and practiced drawing, but there's only so much you can do with an empty gun.

Some random observations/impressions:

- I love the mika holster, but not with the LG-405's installed. There just isn't enough room inbetween the middle finger and holster. I might try modifying the holster a bit or buy another nemesis (I tried cutting it a bit to make it smaller and it was a disaster, don't ask).

- I think the laser would be a big advantage in a real encounter. It's just faster, and you can focus on the target instead of the front sight. Of course, I'll still practice a lot with the normal iron sights, but let's face it, they suck.

- As far as the actual grip, I still like the hogue bantams the best. Those have the soft rubber and a fatter grip. Those feel better and give it better retention, but whatever. I think the LG-405's are easier to conceal to despite the covered backstrap because they are much thinner. I just wish they had a more rubbery as opposed to plasticy feel...

- I practice quite a bit with the 642 and have become quite good. However, after I got everything calibrated, I had probably my tightest groups today.

Anyway, I'm also looking for an S&W 342 to carry, although I'd still probably practice with the 642 the most. Hopefully I can still be part of the club if I do.

 

[weavpi]

Mika holster

I recently got a Mika holster for my snubbie 442 after reading all the posts on here. I have a problem though, it is a little loose and my gun keeps falling out of the holster and is in danger of falling right out of the pocket. Any suggestions???

 

[AStone]

[The laser is] just faster, and you can focus on the target instead of the front sight.
Of course, I'll still practice a lot with the normal iron sights, but let's face it, they suck.

OK, let's review.

The x42 (and other snubs) are for point shooting. It's not a target revolver. It's a point shooter.
Remember: raise it and fire. Don't worry about that front sight. Point - shoot.

For those who practice the Zen of point shooting, lasers are
an expensive, unnecessary, complicating addiction, er, addition.

Point - shoot. Trust your instinct, grasshoppa.

I might try modifying the holster a bit or buy another nemesis ...

It's occurred to me lately: maybe I need to buy a Nemesis holster, just for good measure.

 

[Stainz]

My wife fell hard for the little Seecamp .32 last fall. She needs something flat for her pocket - and better made and more reliable than the KelTec .32 her brother carries - which literally just wouldn't work. The $65 custom made leather holster works well, too. I am glad I was able to convert a little used Ruger into the protective piece for her - even if it isn't an X42.

It's odd - even Lewis Seecamp suggests an intrinsic form of point shooting for the .32 - it has no sights. We need to keep in mind the ultimate use of these firearms - and our beloved X42s. They are for the time when that fecal matter has impacted the air movement device. It is great, as I have done, to be able to shoot Steel Plate Challenge targets successfully with my 642. Sadly, that aint it's reason to be - and such practice is wasted effort considering it's likely implementation would be from 1-3 yd. It's rapid retrieval - and the ability to unload it into COM of a bg silhouette at 3-7 yd is better spent practice at the range. Nemmie is right about the laser - and I really was considering the purchase of a 405 for my 642. No more.

Of course, the nice thing about the X42 is that it has good sights - and you can aim it, should you need to. In a survival situation, you could keep your protein level up with one. Yeah, a Gold Dot or 'FBI' load wouldn't be the best white-tail deer round - and way overkill for hopping white-tails, etc - but they would work. It's likely a decent trail companion, local laws permitting. I know it's my urban jungle must have.

Stainz

PS Of course, my wife had to show-off the first time she shot her new Seecamp and hit the small metal plates at twelve yards twice out of seven shots - point shooting.

 

[rdrancher]

I recently got a Mika holster for my snubbie 442 after reading all the posts on here. I have a problem though, it is a little loose and my gun keeps falling out of the holster and is in danger of falling right out of the pocket. Any suggestions???

Welcome weavpi!

Not all pockets are Mika friendly, which is the exact reason that I have several pocket holsters.

My most used holster is the inexpensive Uncle Mike's #3 ($9.99 at Cabela's), with the Mika running a close second.

- There just isn't enough room inbetween the middle finger and holster.

I trimmed my Mika as close as I could get to the stitching in that area and it helped quite a bit. When I get around to ordering another Mika I will have him build it a wee-bit smaller. The following photo is my Sp101 in Mika's j-frame holster (before trimming.) That's closer to the fit that I'm after.



rd

 

[bdjansen]

OK, let's review.

The x42 (and other snubs) are for point shooting. It's not a target revolver. It's a point shooter.
Remember: raise it and fire. Don't worry about that front sight. Point - shoot.

For those who practice the Zen of point shooting, lasers are
an expensive, unnecessary, complicating addiction, er, addition.

Point - shoot. Trust your instinct, grasshoppa.

Well said. I shoot better without the lasers. I shoot best when I just point and pull.

Plus, I'm not a big fan of more batteries in my life.

 

[AZAndy]

Speaking of Mika holsters, I ordered one on April 23rd and haven't seen it yet. Anybody else had to wait this long? Sent a friendly email to ask about it four days ago and haven't heard back, and I'm not sure what to make of that. I know that Chief Mika does this as a sideline and that he gets busier than he had planned sometimes. Maybe I'm just being impatient.

Thanks,

Andy

 

[Downrange]

Piffle!

Point-shoot-miss

Put CTs on that thing and join the 21st century

And another thing: with laser enhancement, it's just that. You can still rely on the primitive sights or your "pointing instincts"

 

[Old Gregg]

FNG

Hi all,

I'm new to THR. Just picked up my S&W 642CT today. I've been reading 642 Club for a couple of weeks now. It really helped me make my decision to get the 642.

This revolver is awesome. I can't wait to get to the range and shoot it. Any words of advice about break-in or pre-firing would be greatly appreciated.

I'm Old Gregg!

 

[DAdams]

Welcome

Old Gregg. You are absolutely going to like, should I say more...your 642.

Glad to see you got the CTs. Let's see how you like jumping right into laser technology. Don't forget to practice point shooting too.

That's it for me tonight. Back to the sauce.

BTW. You can dry fire it at the TV, there are plenty of good talking heads to practice on. 500 times will smooth out the trigger. Get to the range and shoot the pistarootees out of it.

Mika Holster if you plan to pocket carry, DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster will tide you over until the Mika arrives. and Speer Gold Dot for Short Barrel 135 gr or some Buffalo Bore, standard pressure or jazzed up +P in soft or hard cast for PD. Any old .38 spl will get you going at the range. Don't forget to grip high and tight, really tight. Your goal five rounds, five yards, five seconds. Hitting the target is a good thing.
We of course need photos, and commentary. We are looking for big things coming from you there FNG Gregg.

As you were.

 

[AStone]

Let's see how you like jumping right into laser technology.
Don't forget to practice point shooting too.

Funny thing is, both require pointing.

Lasers are like trainer wheels on a bike.
Once you figure out how to ride (point) it,
you take the trainer wheels (laser) off
and just go with your intuition.
____________

DA, congrats on busting 1000.
Now, you're a senior member.

 

[Old Gregg]

FNG Part Deux



I'm new to THR, not shooting. This is my first snubby but not my first weapon. Really, I know how to shoot a variety of weapons. I was in the US Army for 8 years and fired (and carried) the SAW, M60 Machine gun, M1911, M9, LAW Rocket, M16/M203 w/grenade launcher. I also attended OPFOR training at Ft. Benning and fired the AK47 and RPG. While at Ft. Benning I attended MOUT (Military Operations Urban Terrain) school.

My personal arsenal consists of a Colt King Cobra 357M, SIG P239 w/CT grips, Taurus PT111,S&W MP15, S&W22A, Mossberg 12ga Cruiser, (2) Ruger 10/22's and a Hi Point 9mm in addition to my new SW 642CT.

Having said that, I appreciate the advice about not relying on technology but I also have some to give:

People who attempt to make other people feel bad because they are not as good of a shot as them really piss me off. If you don't like or want a laser sight on your weapon good for you! If the next person wants a laser on their weapon why should you care? What is your stake in the whole no laser thing?????? If I want a pistol with a 60 inch plama TV mounted on it I don't see why anyone would care.

I'm not looking to step on anyones toes here but it seems like some people just want to try and make themselves seem superior to other people because they don't need lasers.

LIVE AND LET LIVE!

When facing a bad guy, survival is the bottom line. If a person uses a laser for targeting in those situations more power to them. At the end of the day if they get to go home to their family because of technology-AMEN. If you get home at the end of the day because of your point and shoot method-AMEN!

Why is this such a big deal? Is it enough of a big deal to get people killed because they need to be macho point and shooters like you? I just wonder if you have been shot at by someone who wants to kill you. All the rules change after that.

I'm Old Gregg!

 

[rdrancher]

If I want a pistol with a 60 inch plama TV mounted on it I don't see why anyone would care.

Well I'd care. At least enough to know how I could sneak it past my wife!


BTW - "wink" means "just kidding", "in jest", etc. Don't take it too personal.


& Welcome to the club.

rd

 

[Old Gregg]

rd,

Thanks for the advice about the wink thing. I'm sure now that I'll be getting all kinds of hate mail because of my post. I'm passionate about shooting and self defense. If I didn't see the joking in the non-laser posts then I am truly sorry.

I'm Old Gregg!

 

[davidconatser]

Prickly

Maybe it is essential to his online persona that Nematocyst be a bit prickly.

Otherwise why would he name himself for the stinging apparatus of a jellyfish?

As another "seasoned citizen", I am attracted to THR because of the civility as well as the quality of most of the information and opinions.

But a little picante can add interest.

I often miss the significance of the smilies, but is fun to moon someone now and then.

 

[AStone]

BTW - "wink" means "just kidding", "in jest", etc. Don't take it too personal.

RD, nailed it, Gregg.
Just messin' around on a Friday night.
Didn't mean to get yer hackles up.

Any body wants lasers on their snub, go for it.
Knock yer' self out. What ever floats your boat is fine with me.

We've just been talking about this
point shooting issue around here for a while,
and some of us take a fairly firm position on it is all.
Don't mean we're right. We just feel strongly about it.

By the way, yes, belated welcome in. Glad you're here.

(Should have started with that.
Bad Nematocyst. Where are my manners?
And where's that Master Sargent at Arms when you need him? )

Maybe it is essential to his online persona that Nematocyst be a bit prickly.

Otherwise why would he name himself for the stinging apparatus of a jellyfish?

As another "seasoned citizen", I am attracted to THR because of the civility
as well as the quality of most of the information and opinions.

But a little picante can add interest.

You'll fit in here just fine, David.

Nem

 

[johnnylaw53]

well now I want to say something about lasers I normally skip over those post as i do not like them (lasers) I also don't like light mounted on the weapon but you just about can't fine a semi now days without rails. In my early days when taking night fire course the range master always told us to keep the light extented from your body while doing building searches and things like that he would say if someone shot at you the mind normally focus on what the eye is looking at and in most cases it will be the light if that was true the with lights on the weapon and you holding it out and they shoot at the light they will hit you right? Something eles all these things need batteries a few years ago they put some kinda sight on our patrol rifels that requiered a battery also the way they were mounted left the iron sights useless, my wife who was in patrol at the time very seldom would carry a long gun with her one night while preparing for grave shift the sgt. read a message that M13 declared that day "kill a cop day" so she decided to take a long gun she sign it out and check the sight the battery was dead and they didn't have any replacement so instead she took a old 870 with her. My point being the more we relied on things like this the worse off we are when things not working like designed and keep in mind boys and girls if you get in a gun fight the odds are already against you. If you one of those people that take very good care of your equipment i'm sure the laser can be a big help if you like it use it in good health. Don't take anything i say to heart heck my own department don't even let me drive a mark unit now days and they have me report to the office and work on budget and things like that so i may very well be out of touch with things now days.

Be safe

 

[Stainz]

Well, I took my CT laser bucks - added a few - and came home with the 64-8 below. It came with fully functional UM's Square Combats - which it'll wear again Monday. I don't believe it was ever shot - except the 5/05 dated test fired case included, along with all of the papers, etc (Yeah, a little bag of keys for the IL, too!). This is now a house gun, my wife's side revolver, the 2" 10, reserved as her car gun. My side still has the 296 & 642.

At least my beloved 625MG in .45 Colt gets to rest with it's friends in the safe again. It was $100 less ($327 inc s/t) than another new X42, which I had considered. My wife hates shooting the 642. We've shot the 64 already - my wife not caring for 'FBI' loads from it... while 250gr Gold Dots from the 625MG were okay - go figure!



Stainz

 

[308win]

What would Robert want for a pocket holster for a 642 with a 60" plasma screen. Think it would print?



(\wink)Oh yeah(\wink off)

 

[Old Gregg]

Back from the range.

Just got back from the range. My 642 worked great. I put 100 38spl range rounds and 50 38 +p's through it. Fired with and without laser on about half. I was surprised by the accuracy. It was a lot more accurate farther out than I thought it would be with the short barrel.

I was wondering how peolpe grip the 642. I found it to be more steady with my thumb up where the hammer should be than wrapped around the grip. Can't do that with the King Cobra!

Nemo, sorry about gettin my boxers in a bunch about the laser thing. My bad. Technology is great but we need to know what to do when it fails. That's why I practiced both ways today. I like the laser best though. Maybe because I use the CT on my SIG I'm just more comfortable with them. I also use the SIG with the laser off too.

I'm Old Gregg!