Johnan
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Quote: I'll bet the choice of 135's has more to do with velocity & foot pounds than POA.
Nematocyst - You may be right concerning velocity & foot pounds than POA.
Quote: POA at what distance?
Glockman19 - Using the Remington & Winchester 125gr HP, 130gr FMC and the Speer 135gr HP: a POA at approx. 4 yards, POI groups were around 1-2 inches or so low to the right of the bullseye (around 4:00). I am a lefty and one of my son's is a righty and he had pretty much the same results. At a POA at approx. 8 yards, POI groups were 4-6 inches or so low to the right of the bullseye at around 4:00.
Using 158gr LWC & FMJ, my POA at around 4 yards gave me a POI of close to a 3 inch group around the bullseye of the target while a POA at around 8 yards gave me a POI of close to a 7 inch group around the bullseye of the target.
jt1 - You are so right that this is not a target pistol. I guess that it really doesn't matter wheter your carry ammo is Speer 135gr HP or 158gr LSWC/HP as long as you can keep some composure and put into practice what you have learned if presented with a confrontation.
We sometimes don't realize or understand all the many variables and complexities that
are involved between the ammo, shooter, grip, target and the environment. Not to mention that even with the amount of effort that has gone into ammo testing, a lot of the info is still just theory and dependant of multiple variables. Where is the fine line in bullet weight between the muzzle dipping and not dipping? Why of course that depends on other factors.
I guess all that you can do is practice and carry what you are comfortable with and hope that the only BG that you have to shoot is one on a paper target.
Nematocyst - You may be right concerning velocity & foot pounds than POA.
Quote: POA at what distance?
Glockman19 - Using the Remington & Winchester 125gr HP, 130gr FMC and the Speer 135gr HP: a POA at approx. 4 yards, POI groups were around 1-2 inches or so low to the right of the bullseye (around 4:00). I am a lefty and one of my son's is a righty and he had pretty much the same results. At a POA at approx. 8 yards, POI groups were 4-6 inches or so low to the right of the bullseye at around 4:00.
Using 158gr LWC & FMJ, my POA at around 4 yards gave me a POI of close to a 3 inch group around the bullseye of the target while a POA at around 8 yards gave me a POI of close to a 7 inch group around the bullseye of the target.
jt1 - You are so right that this is not a target pistol. I guess that it really doesn't matter wheter your carry ammo is Speer 135gr HP or 158gr LSWC/HP as long as you can keep some composure and put into practice what you have learned if presented with a confrontation.
We sometimes don't realize or understand all the many variables and complexities that
are involved between the ammo, shooter, grip, target and the environment. Not to mention that even with the amount of effort that has gone into ammo testing, a lot of the info is still just theory and dependant of multiple variables. Where is the fine line in bullet weight between the muzzle dipping and not dipping? Why of course that depends on other factors.
I guess all that you can do is practice and carry what you are comfortable with and hope that the only BG that you have to shoot is one on a paper target.
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