glockman19
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DA, Glad you found us. Nice pic.
642 Club Part Deux
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Brassman
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I'm here. Just reading and pondering,...... waiting still for my Mika to arrive. I just hope it rides slightly lower in the pocket than the Nemisis did. That's the reason I switched to the Pocket Defender (leather) from K&D Holsters. Nothing yet has beat the Nemisis on the draw, but too much of the grip showed at the top of most of my pockets. Still having some trouble with presentation from the Defender holster in that it holds the weapon too tightly. The round cut Mika has to be better since everyone here generally swears by them.
DAdams
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Except Dr. Tocyst
Who is a square (kind of guy). Anyone have both and can comment on which makes a better... low ride dah....rides a little slowa.
What grip is on it B'Man? You are not trying to low ride a Monogrip are ya?
Who is a square (kind of guy). Anyone have both and can comment on which makes a better... low ride dah....rides a little slowa.
What grip is on it B'Man? You are not trying to low ride a Monogrip are ya?
DAdams
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Brassman
You posed an interesting question. DeSantis Nemesis vs. Mika Roundcut.
Which rides lower?
Let me set this up. First off the DeSantis Nemesis I used was originally purchased to fit a Karh PM 9. This Nemesis does fit the S&W J Frame well though. The "642" is 'bottomed out' in the Nemesis, maybe even more so than in real life use.
Personally I prefer the Mika because
a) It seems to break up the pocket print better
b) The Mika is much faster than the DeSantis in clearing leather (vinyl).
Both grips in the photo are CT 405s so the dimensions are relative. One J frame is a 642 the other a 442. (Not really, the "642" is a M&P 340 but let's pretend for the sake of the "Club". Trust me, they are the same identical frame size.
I used a T-Square (anyone else remember this ancient tool) to level things out.
It is then observed that in this not so exacting experiment, but hey not bad for a 15 minute set-up despite I have a day job (believe it or not) the 642 sets slightly lower in this Desantis by about 1/4 inch. Your results may vary. Not valid in the District of Columbia or Illinois.
You might confirm to see how low your 642 sets in a Nemesis designed for it vs this one supposedly designed for the PM 9. Who knows they may be the identical piece.
I don't think the cut, round or square would make a difference. I think what you need is deeper pockets.
You posed an interesting question. DeSantis Nemesis vs. Mika Roundcut.
Which rides lower?
Let me set this up. First off the DeSantis Nemesis I used was originally purchased to fit a Karh PM 9. This Nemesis does fit the S&W J Frame well though. The "642" is 'bottomed out' in the Nemesis, maybe even more so than in real life use.
Personally I prefer the Mika because
a) It seems to break up the pocket print better
b) The Mika is much faster than the DeSantis in clearing leather (vinyl).
Both grips in the photo are CT 405s so the dimensions are relative. One J frame is a 642 the other a 442. (Not really, the "642" is a M&P 340 but let's pretend for the sake of the "Club". Trust me,
they are the same identical frame size. I used a T-Square (anyone else remember this ancient tool) to level things out.
It is then observed that in this not so exacting experiment, but hey not bad for a 15 minute set-up despite I have a day job (believe it or not) the 642 sets slightly lower in this Desantis by about 1/4 inch. Your results may vary. Not valid in the District of Columbia or Illinois.
You might confirm to see how low your 642 sets in a Nemesis designed for it vs this one supposedly designed for the PM 9. Who knows they may be the identical piece.
I don't think the cut, round or square would make a difference. I think what you need is deeper pockets.
FireCaptDave - While I have no experience with the Simply Rugged holster folks, their products look to be well made and they sound like they are good people to deal with from what I read on their website.
http://simplyrugged.com/index.html
http://simplyrugged.com/index.html
Brassman
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The Mika is for the M&P 340 which still has the factory Hogue rubber bantams on it. My wife totes the 642 in the Nemisis in her purse. She loves the Monogrip, but I really like the bantams on the M&P 340. If the Mika is to my liking, I may upgrade to some wood bantams later.
Brassman
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DA
The order of my last post seems out of place. I was typing a reply to your question and was detained by a parent/teacher conference for about 15 minutes.
I guess what you are trying to demonstrate to me is that the Nemesis and the Mika will cause the weapon to ride inside the pocket to about the same height. It even looks from your experiment that the Nemesis would cause the weapon to actually sit a little lower in the pocket than the Mika. Is that correct?
And yep, I guess I do need some deeper pockets, especially if I have to keep buying new holsters to get what I want.
The K&D Defender is an open-ended holster that lets the barrel of the weapon go into the holster completely. There is no stitching at the end to push the weapon up further in the pocket, but I'm still having presentation problems as it holds the weapon too tightly. I thought maybe this would improve as it got broken in, but I have had the holster for about 3 months and I see no change.
The order of my last post seems out of place. I was typing a reply to your question and was detained by a parent/teacher conference for about 15 minutes.
I guess what you are trying to demonstrate to me is that the Nemesis and the Mika will cause the weapon to ride inside the pocket to about the same height. It even looks from your experiment that the Nemesis would cause the weapon to actually sit a little lower in the pocket than the Mika. Is that correct?
And yep, I guess I do need some deeper pockets, especially if I have to keep buying new holsters to get what I want.
The K&D Defender is an open-ended holster that lets the barrel of the weapon go into the holster completely. There is no stitching at the end to push the weapon up further in the pocket, but I'm still having presentation problems as it holds the weapon too tightly. I thought maybe this would improve as it got broken in, but I have had the holster for about 3 months and I see no change.
If it was in the past ten years or so: Working, in a bar, training, or sleeping.
After letting my dad into the club, I am considering re-joining myself. When I got rid of my 642, it was an act of discipline, so that I would carry the 19 instead of the 642. If I get a 642 again, I will end up carrying the little bugger.
DAdams
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Brassman
That is correct. But remember the Nemesis I have may not be the same one you have so the results may vary.
In any event I think you will like it no break in to speak of. Nice wide mouth, easy in and easy out.
Wives with 642s and men with 340s we have much in common.
That is correct. But remember the Nemesis I have may not be the same one you have so the results may vary.
In any event I think you will like it no break in to speak of. Nice wide mouth, easy in and easy out.
Wives with 642s and men with 340s we have much in common.
Mika S&W J-Frame holster Received!
Hey,
Just wanted to let the club know I received my Mika pocket holster today and it is everything I expected and more. Thanks for the tip on this handy pocket holster. I ordered it on Monday, October 01, 2007 and received it on Thursday, November 8th, 2007. Not bad turn around time considering this is a hand made item. Nice quality! Fit's great in the jeans pocket, hides the piece well. I am no longer a sheep!
RichieT
Hey,
Just wanted to let the club know I received my Mika pocket holster today and it is everything I expected and more. Thanks for the tip on this handy pocket holster. I ordered it on Monday, October 01, 2007 and received it on Thursday, November 8th, 2007. Not bad turn around time considering this is a hand made item. Nice quality! Fit's great in the jeans pocket, hides the piece well. I am no longer a sheep!
RichieT
ShootinDave
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I just picked up a 638....... close enough for the 642 club?
fiVe
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ShootinDave said:
Yep. Come on in!
AStone
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Oh, my.DA said:
Now, that's a bit like relying on a fuel injection specialist to work on your brakes. Trust me on this one: bad idea.
{Tangent re this "Dr." thing. Just to be clear:
biologists with PhD's and physicians are both called "Dr".
Question: What's the difference?
Answer: Both can take living things apart,
but only one can put them back together again.
}On the other hand, if you need someone to help move that fridge from the old house into this new one, give me a shout.
Nice to have the MSAA back on deck.
__________
Just taking a short break from a very intense work day (heading towards one of those 12 hour days ...).
Stuck my nose into the club house, finding peace, good vibes, lots of gun talk
(which gun again? oh, right, ultralight J-frames ... 642, 442, 640, 637 ... yes, yes, OK, 340 ... ).
All's well in the club. Seems like we're mostly back to normal (what ever that is
) even if a few regulars aren't checking in much yet. Nice to see some new faces ... er, user names.)
OK, back to work for a while.
Stay chill; have fun; learn lots.
Dr. Nem, biologist
Just stopping by for a quick chat. I think the professors at school are trying to slowly drive us students crazy. Maybe not so slowly. Only a month left in the semester, so they all are giving tests, assigning projects, papers, etc. :banghead:
My daughter and I will be taking our CCW class this Saturday. I will, of course, have my trusty little 642 with me. Looking forward to it, even if it is 12 hours long!
RichieT - Congrats on the new holster! I am jealous! I ordered mine in late Oct. Looks like I have a few weeks to wait.
Finally got around to checking out my new purse last night. Not only does it lock (Thanks Mongo), the holster hidden inside is velcroed in and can be set at whatever angle works best for gun and person. My Beloved's concern is that since it is a "generic" holster, it seems to "swallow up" my 642, allowing it to fall too fall into the holster. When removing the gun, you can only get hold of the grip, causing you to shift the gun after removal. His solution was to run a line of stitching along "nose" of the grip and thereby holding the gun farther out in a better position to grab and go. Opinions?
Hope you're all having a WONDERFUL evening!
My daughter and I will be taking our CCW class this Saturday. I will, of course, have my trusty little 642 with me. Looking forward to it, even if it is 12 hours long!
RichieT - Congrats on the new holster! I am jealous! I ordered mine in late Oct. Looks like I have a few weeks to wait.
Finally got around to checking out my new purse last night. Not only does it lock (Thanks Mongo), the holster hidden inside is velcroed in and can be set at whatever angle works best for gun and person. My Beloved's concern is that since it is a "generic" holster, it seems to "swallow up" my 642, allowing it to fall too fall into the holster. When removing the gun, you can only get hold of the grip, causing you to shift the gun after removal. His solution was to run a line of stitching along "nose" of the grip and thereby holding the gun farther out in a better position to grab and go. Opinions?
Hope you're all having a WONDERFUL evening!
AStone
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on topic drills
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These days, I find myself editing my posts a bit more than usual.
I'm trying to honor our new thread by staying on topic to the extent possible and comfortable, especially here in early pages. We want to set good precedents, and not risk having a fine gun thread shut down by getting too OT. (No telling what it'll look like around page 59 or so, though ... )
So, in retrospect, my original post now seems kinda OT. Only indirectly related to 642. And, I know that Ardi - to whom it was mostly written concerning her lament about being busy with studies - has read it and responded. (Nice response; enjoyed reading it.)
So, as much fun as it was to write, I've taken mine down (stored safely on hard drive so it can appear on some future page somewhere) and will replace the larger text with the following brief summary, and the last two lines of the original.
_________
Synopsis: Somewhat loosely, very metaphorically, with a pinch of humor, and with MUCH respect for Marines, I compared the actions of college professors overburdening students with assignments and exams to a Marine drill instructor. Both must to some extent "strongly challenge" a student (to a point just this side of "breaking") before effectively training them to deal with chaotic, "real world" situations.
(Then, the last two lines from the original)
Kind of like a "situation" on the street
where a bug [back up gun] must be employed.
Of course, if more profs wore 642s (etc),
the campus would be safer against nut jobs,
but that's another post ...
[Added by edit]
These days, I find myself editing my posts a bit more than usual.
I'm trying to honor our new thread by staying on topic to the extent possible and comfortable, especially here in early pages. We want to set good precedents, and not risk having a fine gun thread shut down by getting too OT. (No telling what it'll look like around page 59 or so, though ... )
So, in retrospect, my original post now seems kinda OT. Only indirectly related to 642. And, I know that Ardi - to whom it was mostly written concerning her lament about being busy with studies - has read it and responded. (Nice response; enjoyed reading it.)
So, as much fun as it was to write, I've taken mine down (stored safely on hard drive so it can appear on some future page somewhere) and will replace the larger text with the following brief summary, and the last two lines of the original.
_________
Synopsis: Somewhat loosely, very metaphorically, with a pinch of humor, and with MUCH respect for Marines, I compared the actions of college professors overburdening students with assignments and exams to a Marine drill instructor. Both must to some extent "strongly challenge" a student (to a point just this side of "breaking") before effectively training them to deal with chaotic, "real world" situations.
(Then, the last two lines from the original)
Kind of like a "situation" on the street
where a bug [back up gun] must be employed.
Of course, if more profs wore 642s (etc),
the campus would be safer against nut jobs,
but that's another post ...
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Shootin Dave - 380 on this thread? HHHHHHmmmmmmm, we'll have to think about that. ("Huddle huddle, whisper, tee hee, whisper.")
OK, the club has dedidd you can just us on 2 conditions: You need to post picture of said infidel on thread.
2nd we challenge you not to get jealous from seeing all the Wonderful "real" guns posted here. Hey! Wipe that drool off your chin! No DROOLING until you get your own! Then it is not only OK, but perfecly normal around here!.
Fear not! I'm sure, from the posts I've read, you'll soon have a real gun before too long! The guys might even be generous and lead you toward one. Having been the "middle woman" so to speak, I will expect my usual 10%
So ladies and gents, grab your drool towel, your favoirite 642, watch some TV, while gently carassing her.... I mean cleaning your sweet little huney. THe gun, guys, the gun!
Back to the books for me. I'll drop by another day.
The perfect start to a new day! I'm upright and breathing.
OK, the club has dedidd you can just us on 2 conditions: You need to post picture of said infidel on thread.
2nd we challenge you not to get jealous from seeing all the Wonderful "real" guns posted here. Hey! Wipe that drool off your chin! No DROOLING until you get your own! Then it is not only OK, but perfecly normal around here!.
Fear not! I'm sure, from the posts I've read, you'll soon have a real gun before too long! The guys might even be generous and lead you toward one. Having been the "middle woman" so to speak, I will expect my usual 10%
So ladies and gents, grab your drool towel, your favoirite 642, watch some TV, while gently carassing her.... I mean cleaning your sweet little huney. THe gun, guys, the gun!
Back to the books for me. I'll drop by another day.
The perfect start to a new day! I'm upright and breathing.
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AStone
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Ugly trigger
Don't know if this has been discussed (search doesn't like me this morning), but does anyone else think the 642 suffers from an ugly trigger. Among the luster of the alloy and steel of the frame and cylinder sits this trigger that looks like a hunk of cheap pig iron. It is dull and sorta brown looking. Anyone else think this?
Don't know if this has been discussed (search doesn't like me this morning), but does anyone else think the 642 suffers from an ugly trigger. Among the luster of the alloy and steel of the frame and cylinder sits this trigger that looks like a hunk of cheap pig iron. It is dull and sorta brown looking. Anyone else think this?
ShootinDave
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i'll try to get a pic of the S&W family soon.......
DAdams
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S&W
Sure nothing wrong with ole Quazimoto. Just has a hump placement complex.
Welcome from me to you, Richie T and Running GF.
Aha, nice photo Dr. Nem. The man of a single calibre. What does that Marlin shoot.....38 or 357? Love them levers. See you got your Bianchi oriented to the proper jt1 configuration.
Harvster. Right you are. Butt ugly trigger. MIM part. Wouldn't it be nice it was a machined steel, case hardened and colored trigger?
Then you would have to charge another $5. It looks like the MIM trigger is used even on the new retro models 36 and 40.
S&W
Sure nothing wrong with ole Quazimoto. Just has a hump placement complex.
Welcome from me to you, Richie T and Running GF.
Aha, nice photo Dr. Nem. The man of a single calibre. What does that Marlin shoot.....38 or 357? Love them levers. See you got your Bianchi oriented to the proper jt1 configuration.
Harvster. Right you are. Butt ugly trigger. MIM part. Wouldn't it be nice it was a machined steel, case hardened and colored trigger?
Then you would have to charge another $5. It looks like the MIM trigger is used even on the new retro models 36 and 40.
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Brassman
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Nem
Where's the 336? I know where the 39A is, but where's it's big brother?
Where's the 336? I know where the 39A is, but where's it's big brother?
Brassman
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By the way, the Mika came in yesterday. I believe it should do the trick! It does put the weapon a little higher in the pocket than my Pocket Defender, but it sure is easier to draw from and does not come out of the pocket on the draw. The M&P 340 is riding in it right now, but not in my pocket, since I'm at school and that would be contraband.
It took approximately 3 weeks to arrive. That's pretty good for all his back log of orders, I think.
I believe it should do the trick! It does put the weapon a little higher in the pocket than my Pocket Defender, but it sure is easier to draw from and does not come out of the pocket on the draw. The M&P 340 is riding in it right now, but not in my pocket, since I'm at school and that would be contraband.It took approximately 3 weeks to arrive. That's pretty good for all his back log of orders, I think.
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