642 rusting already-anyone else?

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I took a look at my 642 the other day-now i bought this gun about 2 months ago, it has been cleaned after every time i shot it, and had been last shot maybe 3-4 weeks ago-and it had rust already building up on the cylinder swing-out piece (i dont know the terminology sorry). Obviously the frame being aluminum alloy and the cylinder being stainless steel those werent rusted at all. But the swing-out piece, which appeared to be stainless steel as well, was starting to rust! Now i work in water treatment which means i work in a watery, salty, and salt watery environment (similar to that of a salt-water boat) but the gun has never left my pocket, never gotten wet, and had been cleaned immaculately less than 3 weeks earlier! I'm gonna get into more often wipe-down habits for sure, but anyone else had this problem?
 
No I haven't had that problem but it should be obvious that the air you work in penetrates your clothes. So wipe the gun down with an oiled cloth, or silicon cloth, daily. The area of the gun you're speaking of is the yoke and crane.

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Yes, as stated if you work

around salt water there can be salt in the air without your revolver ever getting in the salt water.
 
Yep, in that environment you will need to accept the higher maintenance requirements. I would suggest never using anything expensive/fancy as your carry gun there due to the additional risk of rust involved.
 
yeah i was mad when i first saw it starting but then i realized its only a 642. Not exactly cheap but easily replaceable. Anyways I've gotten into better wipedown habits but i was shocked it could start that early.
 
some tough kind of enviroment that you stated! i've had several stainless knives rust pretty bad. but you are already onto the correct maintainence procedure. just wipe that puppy down every day. Break Free CLP is another good spray for rust.
 
You might want to look into having it refinished in a more durable finish to protect the metal. I'm not sure just how simple that is for a revolver, but I figure somebody here ought to have an idea. But in the meantime, better wipedowns are the order of the day.
 
Stain Less, not stain proof.

I have been carrying my 642 daily for about 4 years now, before that I carried a blued model 36, pocket carry in a leather holster. Never saw any rust on either. I wipe them down at least once a week with breakfree clp.

I also have used EEZOX which seems to last longer than the clp.

Just be glad you are not carrying an HK USP or you wouldn't be able to get it out of the holster by the end of the day.
 
Would you tell us what lube you are currently using? Just wondering about its lack of performance.
I have been using CLP for decades, no problems.
 
I like Bullfrog Rusthunter. It's a non-greasy wipedown liquid, available in a spray can and in "handi-wipes". Keeps my guns rust-free, even the ones that are really rust-prone, as long as I actually remember to use it.:)

The wipes also work for minor cleanings, and remove fouling well. That's all I usually do to a revolver: wipe the outside, ram the wipe through the barrel and chambers, let it dry, put it away. That really extends the time between major cleanings.
 
i was just wiping it down with a silicone cloth but i have a can of eezox kickin around, thanks for the advice! However, I dont carry this one in a holster (had a desantis ankle rig-didnt work out too well for me) so i just carry it in my pocket. I can only imagine it wears off quick moving aorund in a pocket so ill get in a habit of using it often. Once again thanks!
 
Might I recommend a pocket holster? Not for reducing rust, but for securing the weapon and keeping debris, dirt and lint out of the works. Hate to need that 642 and reach for it, only to find it resting muzzle up in your pocket. You can find unobtrusive pocket rigs that will keep the gun from printing.

Just a suggestion.
 
Order a Mika pocket holster. They are cheap, and work well. I had Mr. Mika make an oversized one for my 642, so that no metal would be exposed directly to my sweat. Actually, I didn't specify what I wanted in my original order, and Mr. Mika made me a standard 642 holster. When I told him what I was really wanting in a holster, he made a second to my specifications, and gave it to me for free. Can't beat that kind of service. I'd post a picture, but none of my pictures have worked around here lately.
 
Another option for you is to wax your gun. Lots of collectors do this. A popular choice is Renaissance Wax. It is available at woodworking stores, etc. Just like a car wax, it will put a barrier between your gun and the air. Very hard when it dries, and looks great.

Besides getting a pocket holster to keep the wax or oil from getting rubbed off, Don't forget the bore and internals. Run a jag with an oil patch down the barrel frequently or you'll get rust there, too. Whatever rust is on the gun, get it off. Inside the crane/yoke, DO NOT use sandpaperor anything - the fit of those pieces is critical. Use some Mother's polish or similar and it will come off with some hand rubbing. Be careful with the alloy finish as that is easy to scratch with any polishes or abrasives.

I have seen SS S&Ws from "marine" environments witha ligth coat of rust inside the yoke/crane. Let me tell you where else it is forming - inside your lockworks. I'd also periodically remove the side plate and polish/lubricate in there. Take the grips off to and clean/lubricate under there.

The rust is forming where the salt environment penetrates, then is trapped after your gun get's out of that environement (you go home) and dries. The areas with poor circulation "trap" the moist salt and keep it from drying quickly. This will also happen under the grips and inside the side plate. It is also very important to take your gun out of the holster when you leave work - just as the metal-on-metal helps trap the moist salt, so will the leather. It needs to air out and dry. If you leave the gun in the holster, you'll have MORE problems, not less. This si the reason you don't leave guns holstered in the safe for years on end. I have seen collectors grade "presentation" guns stored away for years untouched come out pitted because there was a speck of oil or a finger print on them before they were stored, with the lining to sit there and keep air from circulating and drying it.

Before removing your side plate the first time, learn how to do it properly, it's harder than just taking off the screws and prying it off. That will likely mar the top of the sideplate as well as help you loose your hammer safety. There area good "FAQs" that cover this step at the smith-wessonforum.com - very helpful bunch of people, also.

You're environment is very, very harsh, clearly, and you need to take some exceptional maintenance steps.

Hope this helps.
 
How about drop it in a Ziplock baggie? Its a 642, you can shoot it right through the bag if you need to. If the enviroment is that harsh, its worth a thought.
 
But the swing-out piece, which appeared to be stainless steel as well, was starting to rust!

Reports of rusting stainless will always generate observations that "stain less does not equate to stain proof". While academically true, the fact remains that many cases of general purpose stainless alloys exhibiting rust are simply exhibiting carbon steel contamination from machining operations or incomplete or defective passivation.

One shouldn't assume that the limited corrosion resistance exhibited by high-carbon stainless blade steels applies to more general purpose alloys.

In fact, one needn't go very far to find an example of S&W replacing the crane on a 642 due to passivation issues - apparently as reported by S&W themselves.

Not even six months old yet:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=311182

Excerpt:
S&W stated that they replaced the yoke on the 642, and that the stainless steel yoke rusted due to a incomplete process of Passivation. It is to remove the impurities from the stainless steel. Also the rep said that pure stainless steel does not rust it is the impurities left in the metal that shows in the form of rust.

Sometimes the trite answers don't apply to the specific case under discussion. I'm not saying S&W won't find issue with your environment, but I'd call them anyway based on previous results.
 
I think you may have some embedded steel that may be corroding. This sometimes happens in the manufacturing process and sometimes if you use steel wool on anything near a stainless revolver you may get some embedded corrosion. You definately should not be getting any rust on your stainless cylinder or cylinder yoke assembly.

It's also possible that someone put in the wrong part (this happened with me a number of years ago). If you apply some cold blue liquid, if you have any, and it changes color, your part isn't stainless.

Any chances of you posting a photo?

I've had a lot of experience with stainless firearms and I've never seen rust break out unless it was exposed to salt or steel wool. You said you work in a "salty" environment, but if you keep it clean, it certainly shouldn't rust.

Anyway, did it break out on the outside of the yoke or the inside? Was there one spot or a few small spots, and was it just a surface dusting (able to be wiped away by your finger) or did it require more?

I've found BreakFree works well if you treat your gun, let it sit and then wipe it down with a very slightly oily cloth. A cotton swab with Semichrome to polish and the other end to treat with CLP should also work well.
 
i keep it in my pocket and it never gets directly wet but I took it out yesterday to check it out at work and it had condensation building up on it. Funy thing is I never had this problem when it was in the ankle holster nut who knows maybe by the time i had taken it out of the ankle rig it had already dried or something. Either way its a learning experience and im taking MUCH better care of it now
 
The yoke is aluminum like the frame and will oxidize but not rust. The cylinder and barrel is stainless.
 
Without knowing the exact makeup of the steel and heat treat process S&W uses on the 642 it would be hard for anyone to speculate whether or not his example is rusting excessively.

Sure, there can be anecdotal discussion of guns used in similar environments not rusting, but the true test would be a discussion with S&W.

There are stainless steels that could live a long life in and around salt water with little maintenance and others [barely] classified as stainless needing daily maintenance.

What the steel is made of is the first important factor, after that it's all about the heat treat (assuming it's even a stainless steel that can be heat treated).
 
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