7.62 vs 5.56 ar, please help me!!

[CMC]

I got the Remington R-15 in 30 Remington AR.
I bought it for hunting and shooting paper, for plinking I use 22 rifles they are cheaper and more fun.
I Just started reloading for it and and it is the real deal, very accurate and deadly on game.
I got a deer last season with factory ammo, this year I am loading 150 grain ballistic tips from Nosler at about 2600 FPS.
The Barnes 130 grains can be pushed to about 2800 FPS.
It can do 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards if I do my part.
Only 5 and 10 round mags available.

 

[1stmarine]

30 RAR. very nice stubby round in deed.

 

[wally]

How is the 30 RAR different from the 300 Blackout? Does it require new mags? If so that would seem the major difference.

 

[ripp]

hogs are almost always taken at head shot type ranges, so the 223 will work fine. I've used mine to brain much larger critters than any wild hog. You just have to know where to aim, and have the ability to place your bullet within 1-2" of where you want it, that's all. I worked a hog farm as a kid, hogs aint that fast, really. Dogs catch and corner them, remember that. Dogs don't catch deer. I've shot several deer with the 223, and if you get good hits and use the 60 gr Nosler Partition, they run no further than when hit with 308 ball or 30-30 softpoints, which is to say, never more than 100 yds, rarely as much as 50 yds. Only the heaviest cover and firing right at dusk makes such a post-shooting run a tracking issue. I know of many a deer that's run 50 yds or so with a 30-06 sp thru its chest, and several that have done so with a 12 ga slug so located, too.

 

[CMC]

The 30 AR is different than the Blackout in speed , the blackout will do 2300 fps with a 125 gr the 30 Ar will do 2700 to 2800 fps.
It does require a new magazine and upper assy.

 

[bcp280z]

Why do yall prefer the AK 7.62x39 over 7.62 NATO/ .308?

 

[cyclopsshooter]

Because you cant get a 308 in an ar15

 

[1stmarine]

30 RAR has almost as twice much energy as the blackout.
And it is single stack so yes it requires a new bolt and magazines unlike the blackout.

30RAR I believe it can take w/o any problems a 168gr bullet w/o running into any COAL issues and push it to a decent speed.
I cannot understand Remington. They have this awesome case and their marketing strategy is a disaster. They come out with this ugly camo rifle / uppers and a 4 round magazine with standard corelokt 125gr bullet that in terms of ballistics is one of the worse options one can take. When in reality they have the DPMS 10 round mags (same as 450 bushmaster) black uppers and the most important think I am convinced this case will take perfectly the 168 high BC bullet w/o COAL issues. COAL is the problem the WSSM uppers.

I just do not understand Remington. I might be wrong but it looks to me that the marketing guys there do not have a clue. They could have targeted a much wider market. Again, the case is really strong and short enough to take a very good bullet.

 

[Kliegl]

Uh, Cyclops, please google AR-10. The rifle that became the M-16 was, in fact, designed for .308.

 

[1stmarine]

Stoner had many challenges but as he told once joking to Mr. Kalashnikov in a meeting of the minds they had (in Russia I believe), he said he had three primary requirements from the US army:
1-Weight
2-Weight
3-Weight

If anyone interested I have somewhere a few books I read many years ago and I can find the titles. They were really good and informational about the whole struggle with the AR design, I can tell you.

Cheers.
E.

 

[sixgunner455]

Kleigl, regardless of design history, you still can't fit a 7.62x51mm in an AR15. An AR10 is a significantly bigger, heavier gun. I've only fired the POF version, and it was absolutely fantastic, but ... it was not a light little carbine.

Some serious drooling got wiped off that POF. Um, I need to go change my shirt again.

 

[Flfiremedic]

Look at the little cut down Mini 30 with the heavy barrel. Surprisingly accurate, and Double Tapp is making some serious rounds for it, both Home Defense and heavier ones for hunting...might be a cheaper option...and a little easier to scope.

 

[sansone]

that link you supplied would make a great rifle. Remember the AR can be very accurate with either caliber provided your ammo is premium. The commie steel-case ammo is not premium but cheap fun for plinking.
I favor my 7x39 AR over my 223 AR simply for the hunting capability, but I no longer fire steel ammo through either.