The Deer Hunter
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"Training" isn't what it's about. Most guys that go and but ARs and AKs buy the gun because they are cool, not because they are effective.
7.62x39 or .223?
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"Training" isn't what it's about. Most guys that go and but ARs and AKs buy the gun because they are cool, not because they are effective.
countryrebel
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Classic AK47 round 7.62x39.
Cannonball888
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I'm a traditionalist. If you're going to buy a commie gun then get it in a commie caliber.
sarduy
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BOTH!
Funderb
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i voted 7.62x39 because its a classic.
Coal Dragger
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Personally I would go with the .223/5.56mm NATO. You are more likely to find an accurate .223, and generally you are also more likely to find a more user friendly rifle or carbine in .223.
With heavier bullets the .223 is plenty effective and it works reasonably well on deer and antelope. You have a wider range of reloading options, and given the generally much more accurate rifles it makes reloading worth your time too.
As far as rifle choices go take your pick. I have an AR and I like it fairly well, and I also really like the SIG 556 (Classic version with diopter sights). Both will be far easier to mount optics to, and unlike an AK you can actually get some good use out of those optics instead of being reminded constantly that you have an inaccurate rifle.
My father has an SKS, that I have shot with some frequency and I would pick an AR over that SKS without hesitation. In fact I would rather lug around a .308 scout rifle over an SKS.
With heavier bullets the .223 is plenty effective and it works reasonably well on deer and antelope. You have a wider range of reloading options, and given the generally much more accurate rifles it makes reloading worth your time too.
As far as rifle choices go take your pick. I have an AR and I like it fairly well, and I also really like the SIG 556 (Classic version with diopter sights). Both will be far easier to mount optics to, and unlike an AK you can actually get some good use out of those optics instead of being reminded constantly that you have an inaccurate rifle.
My father has an SKS, that I have shot with some frequency and I would pick an AR over that SKS without hesitation. In fact I would rather lug around a .308 scout rifle over an SKS.
jpwilly
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Well I vetoed your vote and voted 223 because it's a classic too.
7.62X39 vs. .223
I would have to hands down say the .223 is the better option. I have a stock Bushmaster M4 Patrolman's Carbine and that gun is a tack driver. I can consistently shoot (3) shot clover leafs at a 100 yards with that gun, so accuracy is phenomenal. Also as far as the terminal performance I have to say that there isn't going to be that much difference; when I look at the charts, the .223 when shooting 69 grain or even 77 grain BTHP's the bullet energy is almost the same. In fact the .223 is better at 100 yards when shooting the 69 grain vs. the 123 grain 7.62X39 and only 28 lbs. less than the 124 grain 7.62X39. At ranges greater than 100 yards, the .223 ammunition has greater bullet energy. When factoring the wind drift and the trajectory the .223 is much better. With all these factors considered, the .223 ammunition availability is also better; in addition as someone previously stated when the current White House Administration gets done, it will be harder to get 7.62X39 ammo and the prices on the remaining ammuntion will undoubtedly go higher. In my opinion the .223 is the best option hands down. My Bushmaster as well as other AR's are also capable of firing the 5.56 ammunition thus expanding the capability of the weapon. The only thing I would say the AK has over the AR is in the area of maintenance; the AK is much easier to maintain and clean, but I would have to say that the AR is not that much more difficult to maintain to get me to choose the AK over the AR. Just my two cents worth.
I would have to hands down say the .223 is the better option. I have a stock Bushmaster M4 Patrolman's Carbine and that gun is a tack driver. I can consistently shoot (3) shot clover leafs at a 100 yards with that gun, so accuracy is phenomenal. Also as far as the terminal performance I have to say that there isn't going to be that much difference; when I look at the charts, the .223 when shooting 69 grain or even 77 grain BTHP's the bullet energy is almost the same. In fact the .223 is better at 100 yards when shooting the 69 grain vs. the 123 grain 7.62X39 and only 28 lbs. less than the 124 grain 7.62X39. At ranges greater than 100 yards, the .223 ammunition has greater bullet energy. When factoring the wind drift and the trajectory the .223 is much better. With all these factors considered, the .223 ammunition availability is also better; in addition as someone previously stated when the current White House Administration gets done, it will be harder to get 7.62X39 ammo and the prices on the remaining ammuntion will undoubtedly go higher. In my opinion the .223 is the best option hands down. My Bushmaster as well as other AR's are also capable of firing the 5.56 ammunition thus expanding the capability of the weapon. The only thing I would say the AK has over the AR is in the area of maintenance; the AK is much easier to maintain and clean, but I would have to say that the AR is not that much more difficult to maintain to get me to choose the AK over the AR. Just my two cents worth.
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They are both wonderful calibers and it would depend on your usage. For battle situations inside 100 yards I'll take 7.62 every time, after that I'll take 223. For a target gun I'll take 223. As for platform, if you are a diligent cleaner of weapons I say go AR, if you want something that will go bang under any mistreatment situation, get the AK. I still like the 7.62 for AK and the 223 for AR. For SHTF I'll take an AK, for the real world I'll take an AR. One is not better than the other, just different.
Inside 100 yards
Hey inside 100 yards, you can keep the AK I'll go with my shotgun throwing slugs or even Buckshot. If you are talking about lethality, even if you shoot someone in the leg or arm...with a shotgun slug they are going to be out of the fight with one hit. If you're concerned about volume of fire get one of the faster cycling Benelli's or even a Mossberg 590. A majority of the time the 30 rounds in the AK vs. the 5 to 8 rounds of the shotgun isn't going to be a real issue; if things are that bad that you are going to need that additional ammo, the best bet is that you should probably consider not engaging - you know pick your fight when it suits you - my experience is you'll live to fight another day. I understand what your saying regarding the fact that the AK and AR have their own pluses and minuses, but I really do think you have to consider if SHTF, ammo is going to be a real priority; when you run out, all your going to have is a club.
Hey inside 100 yards, you can keep the AK I'll go with my shotgun throwing slugs or even Buckshot. If you are talking about lethality, even if you shoot someone in the leg or arm...with a shotgun slug they are going to be out of the fight with one hit. If you're concerned about volume of fire get one of the faster cycling Benelli's or even a Mossberg 590. A majority of the time the 30 rounds in the AK vs. the 5 to 8 rounds of the shotgun isn't going to be a real issue; if things are that bad that you are going to need that additional ammo, the best bet is that you should probably consider not engaging - you know pick your fight when it suits you - my experience is you'll live to fight another day. I understand what your saying regarding the fact that the AK and AR have their own pluses and minuses, but I really do think you have to consider if SHTF, ammo is going to be a real priority; when you run out, all your going to have is a club.
Funderb
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but the OP doesn't want a shotgun, now does he.
get back to the topic, friend.
get back to the topic, friend.
Cannonball888
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It's amazing how many are not reading the OP carefully. He's NOT trying to decide between an AK and an AR, but between AKs in 7.62x39 and .223.
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If you are concerned with ammo availability stick with the .223 rem.
And by the way if its not FA it's not an Assault Rifle.
Sorry just had to put that out there again Its no wonder we are facing an uphill battle against bad press if we can't even keep from shooting ourselves in the foot.
And by the way if its not FA it's not an Assault Rifle.
Sorry just had to put that out there again
Its no wonder we are facing an uphill battle against bad press if we can't even keep from shooting ourselves in the foot.maskedman504
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I never understand this argument for .223; the lack of U.S. manufactured ammo is a direct reflection of cheap imported ammunition. If the supply of imported ammunition ceases, U.S. manufacturers would gladly pick up and run with the 7.62x39 torch- the base of guns, and potential profits, is HUUUUGE.
rangerruck
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more 223 weapons in america right now; more ar's in america, much lighter, mags and ammo will be basically 3 times as light to carry, if you gotta ruck up fast, carry it out in a vehicle, or leg it out... but inside of 300 yds, the ak round is better.
Cpt. America
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I have 3 Ak's and 2 AR-15's and I still prefer the 7.62x39.
PAULREVERE
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ammo battle
If you reload, 5.56. If not 7.62x39, however, with one foul swoop, Obongo can sign an executive order and ban all your ak and sks ammo from importation. Then your left with rem and win 7.62 x39, which are both are very expensice btw.
If you reload, 5.56. If not 7.62x39, however, with one foul swoop, Obongo can sign an executive order and ban all your ak and sks ammo from importation. Then your left with rem and win 7.62 x39, which are both are very expensice btw.
Didn't mean to divert the thread, I just feel it is important to use proper terminology, not buzz words meant to strike fear in tot he hearts of the uneducated.
Again, my apologies however I feel very strongly about this matter.
Again, my apologies however I feel very strongly about this matter.
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