88 year old with a rifle? Holocaust Museum

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A gunman entered the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington on Wednesday and opened fire shortly before 1 p.m. The gunman shot a security guard, then several guards returned fire, according to the U.S. Park Police.

The shooter has been identified as James W. Von Brunn.

The gun-battle occurred in the museum lobby and started when the attacker began shooting with a "long gun," said Sgt. David Schlosser. MSNBC reported that the suspect was a man, born in 1920, who had possible connections to hate groups and anti-government groups.

The museum is on the south edge of the city's downtown near the Potomac River and within blocks of the National Mall and its monuments. The area is a popular tourist destination in the Nation's capital, especially during the spring.

The victims were taken to George Washington University Hospital several miles northwest of the crime scene. Three people were injured, two were taken to a nearby hospital and the third was hurt by flying glass.

D.C. Fire Department spokesman Alan Etter said one of the victims was taken by ambulance to the hospital with serious gunshot wounds. He did not say whether the victim was the shooter or the security guard.

Visitors described a chaotic scene inside the museum in which they heard five shots, then security guards screaming for them to get to the ground and take cover.

A third victim was injured by flying glass. The person was treated and released at the scene.

It remains unclear whether the attack was terrorist related.

The museum opened in 1993 and since had more than 30 million visitors. Guards are positioned inside and outside and visitors are required to pass through metal detectors at the entrance and bags are screened, according to the museum's Web site.

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More proof that gun bans seem not to work, but guns in the hands of "the good guys" do.

Regarding his affiliation with Hate Groups, if he is 88 he just as well could have lost his marbles and reverted back to the Battle of the Bulge or something... Why does everything need to be linked with Racism or some other ideology? What happened to being plane crazy, everyone shrugging and finished?
 
Sad

Sounds as if he still has a lot of hate in his heart, even in his old age. Or has serious mental issues. Either way, a sicko. :barf:
 
EFAD anyone? Sounds like a page out of the DHS report. This kind of stuff makes me wonder if all the conspiracy theorists may know something we don't.
 
Local radio reported that the guy has also done time for attempted kidnapping, so add gun possession by a felon to the list.

Guard's condition is currently listed as "grave".
 
No word on what rifle but so far, he lived in Maryland, and on CNN we have Pro-gun comments going on their twitter.

ETA: They had a guy on there saying it sounded like a shotgun
 
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I won't speculate as to who the shooter is, but I hope he's not a Veteran. I also hope all of the injured involved in the shooting survive. Nothing like a gun battle in the streets to make the rest of us look bad.

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Nothing like a gun battle in the streets to make the rest of us look bad

I'm offended that you would use the word "us" in this context. That man, whatever he was, was not with me in any sense.

You need to stop buying into these false categorizations. Don't accept lies, certainly don't echo them
 
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He has a name like Von Brunn.

It took place at the holocaust museum.

He had a rifle with 5 shots. About what a Mauser 98 carries.

I don't think any rocket science is needed here.

I hope I'm wrong though. I have some Jewish friends and thier very great and dear friends. I'd hate to think there was still that much hate for them in the world. I'd hoped that stuff had faded with history.
 
I'm offended that you would use the word "us" in this context. That. Man, whatever he was, was not with me in any sense.

You need to stop buying into these false categorizations. Don't accept lies, certainly don't echo them

Word...
 
Regarding his affiliation with Hate Groups, if he is 88 he just as well could have lost his marbles and reverted back to the Battle of the Bulge or something... Why does everything need to be linked with Racism or some other ideology? What happened to being plane crazy, everyone shrugging and finished?

He has a website (signed) where he rants about a Jewish conspiracy, he wrote an anti-semitic book, he apparently has known ties to white supremacist groups, and he is a Holocaust denier who shot up the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. I think that is why "everything need(s) to be linked with Racism" in this case.
 
I think some folks here are jumping to conclusions.

He had a rifle with 5 shots

Unless you were reading a different article than what's posted in the OP, it says very little about the weapon the assailant used.

Visitors described a chaotic scene inside the museum in which they heard five shots

The gunman shot a security guard, then several guards returned fire

Five shots fired in total does not mean the assailant fired all five shots. Looks like we have a classic game of "Telephone" going on here.
 
How did a previous convict get hold of the firearm? I am guessing it is from someone in his radical groups.
 
It appears the guard shot has died. Thoughts and Prayers go to his family.
 
Fox news reported that he had done 6yrs for a prior incident with a gun at the treasury department. This man had a lot of hate in his heart. Classic example of gun control laws that dont work.

A Web site maintained by a James W. Von Brunn says that Von Brunn, in 1981, tried to carry out a citizen's arrest on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, a body he accused of treason.

He describes the incident thusly in a bio on holywesternempire.org:

"In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison."

The Web site attributed to Von Brunn also says he wrote a book called "Kill the Best Gentiles," about how to "protect your white family."

For 20 years, according to the bio, Von Brunn worked as an advertising executive and film producer in New York City. The bio says he is a member of Mensa, the organization of people with exceptional IQs.

A few years ago, Von Brunn reportedly had a volatile exchange with novelist Tom Clancy in which he called Colin Powell a n----r, according to the white-supremacist Web site Thebirdman.org.

Clancy responded to the Web site by suggesting that he is interested in and often writes about "abnormal personalities," but Von Brunn was an "ass" and an "idiot" who didn't deserve his time."

Von Brunn's age is in dispute. Some media are reporting that he is in his 60s, while others are saying he is 88 years old.
 
I guess that DHS report about returning veterans turning to hate groups, becoming radical and committing terrorist acts had some merit after all.

Of course he returned from 65 years ago.
 
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