8mm APT vs CATI level IV ceramic armor plate
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blarby
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Excellent test.
I will say, if you reach for the bolt that fast on all your misfires, one of these days its gonna take your hand off
on its way through the right part of your chest.
You make great chopin' block videos. I want to keep watching them in 20 years, not "leftys cools videos"
I will say, if you reach for the bolt that fast on all your misfires, one of these days its gonna take your hand off
on its way through the right part of your chest.You make great chopin' block videos. I want to keep watching them in 20 years, not "leftys cools videos"
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chopinbloc
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Yeah, I know. My instinct is to reduce the stoppage. I know that I should NOT open the breach immediately after a misfire, but that reaction wasn't conscious.
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No ones firing back on the range. Train it out !
I train with the fantastic guys at OFA, and this has come up a couplea times. They say its tricky too, especially for the really well trained guys. Mindset range VS midset field is very tricky indeed. I firmly believe you have the wherewithall to be cognizant of which code you are in.
Color coding helps... Put an orange dot on your training gear at the range in your sight radius to help back it up. Orange= not condition red ! Or you could go with baby blue, or some other innocuous color that you wouldn't ordinarily see in a use of force encounter.
I'm still waiting for your very critical and true review of G2 RIP(off) ammo.
I train with the fantastic guys at OFA, and this has come up a couplea times. They say its tricky too, especially for the really well trained guys. Mindset range VS midset field is very tricky indeed. I firmly believe you have the wherewithall to be cognizant of which code you are in.
Color coding helps... Put an orange dot on your training gear at the range in your sight radius to help back it up. Orange= not condition red ! Or you could go with baby blue, or some other innocuous color that you wouldn't ordinarily see in a use of force encounter.
I'm still waiting for your very critical and true review of G2 RIP(off) ammo.
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Lol. You know me too well. I've avoided it because I'm cheap and I feel like it's already been thoroughly debunked by The Wound Channel, ShootingTheBull410, and others.
Oh good grief don't even get me started on the RIP(off) ammo. I went on an epic rant on here about the time it was released.
Also, great video, thanks for sharing. Even with the plate stopping the round, that clay deformation looks rather painful. Within the limits for "probably non-lethal" but .. ugh. Yeah, you'd sure feel that in the morning!
(At least you'd be feeling something, though!)
Chances of getting shot in the chest from shouting distance by a full size WWII armor piercing round aren't all that good, though. I imagine it fares better against 223, 7.62x39, and 308?
Do you have links to testing on those calibers?
Also, great video, thanks for sharing. Even with the plate stopping the round, that clay deformation looks rather painful. Within the limits for "probably non-lethal" but .. ugh. Yeah, you'd sure feel that in the morning!
(At least you'd be feeling something, though!)
Chances of getting shot in the chest from shouting distance by a full size WWII armor piercing round aren't all that good, though. I imagine it fares better against 223, 7.62x39, and 308?
Do you have links to testing on those calibers?
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Not yet, but I will be testing it much more. Anything specific you would like to see?
Ooh you are taking requests? That's dangerous. 
In all seriousness, a standard fare of M855 5.56, 7.62x51 - NATO standard ball, and 7.62x39mm steel jacket (with clay deformation on each) would represent the standard 'usual suspects' one would encounter from a heavily armed attacker.
If you have time and plates 7.62x54R soviet armor piercing would also be good. There's a lot of Mosins in circulation now.
If you need any ammo donated to the cause, send me a PM. You're too far away to offer any projectile launchers but I could send you ammo no prob.
In all seriousness, a standard fare of M855 5.56, 7.62x51 - NATO standard ball, and 7.62x39mm steel jacket (with clay deformation on each) would represent the standard 'usual suspects' one would encounter from a heavily armed attacker.
If you have time and plates 7.62x54R soviet armor piercing would also be good. There's a lot of Mosins in circulation now.
If you need any ammo donated to the cause, send me a PM. You're too far away to offer any projectile launchers but I could send you ammo no prob.
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I can probably do that. Any further hits on this plate will exceed its rating (NIJ 0101.06 specifies only one round for level IV) so they are really just a measure of how well it holds up to multiple hits. That said, most ceramic plates do very well with multiple hits, so long as the hits aren't on top of each other.
Thank you for the generous offer. The only ammo I don't have is the 7.62x54mm AP.
Thank you for the generous offer. The only ammo I don't have is the 7.62x54mm AP.
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Nice! That's a pretty respectable ammo fort.
Just stocking up for the day I can retire and actually shoot some of it! 
At one point I did a calculation of "if I live X years past 65 and want to shoot Y rounds a day how much ammo do I need?"
Well as those things usually go, X and Y keep becoming higher, more optimistic numbers, so I have to buy more ammo.
At one point I did a calculation of "if I live X years past 65 and want to shoot Y rounds a day how much ammo do I need?"
Well as those things usually go, X and Y keep becoming higher, more optimistic numbers, so I have to buy more ammo.
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Been there, doing that!
Loving every minute of it too, but I never figured getting .22lr cheaper that my reloads would be an issue. For the past few years I pretty much only shoot .22lr when my wife comes along and we shoot it together.
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