9-year-old arrested for waving toy gun

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This is just sickening. I can understand a cop pretending to arrest a kid to set them straight on something that could get them in trouble when they are older. But this is way beyond anything that should tolerated in this country. The cop shouldn't be fired, he should be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1699&dept_id=46371&newsid=10419957&PAG=461&rfi=9

9-year-old arrested for waving toy gun




MICHAEL C. FITZPATRICK , Morning Journal Writer 10/28/2003




LORAIN -- A 9-year-old boy was arrested at gunpoint and handcuffed Saturday because he was waving a toy gun over his head while seated on a bench outside a store, according to a Lorain police report.

His mother, Tamyka Saunders of Sheffield Lake, said her son, Thomas Clark Jr., told Lorain police when they approached him outside a Broadway business that the gun was a toy. An officer aimed his weapon at the boy's head, ordered him to the ground, handcuffed him and arrested him for juvenile delinquency by reason of inducing panic, according to the police report.

Saunders, 28, was also charged with obstruction of justice and resisting arrest when she pleaded with police not to arrest her son and to give him a warning, according to a police report.

''He doesn't deserve this. He is not a bad kid at all. That's what I was trying to explain to the officer. It's just not fair,'' Saunders said.

Saunders was getting her hair done at the Northern Institute of Cosmetology on Broadway near Seventh Street when the incident began.

Saunders said she and her son were spending the day together . Saunders said her son got his hair cut first, and then he went outside to play while waiting on her.

A passer-by who saw the boy playing just before noon with a gun -- described by police as a black plastic toy gun -- called police, who responded to the scene and found the boy ''waving what appeared to be a black handgun above his head,'' according to a police report. The report said the gun was spray painted black and resembled a genuine gun.

At that point, Officer Joe Novosielski confronted the boy at gunpoint, ordering him to drop the gun and then lie on the ground, the report said.

Thomas, who his mother said has been diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, said he was frightened by the incident.

Lorain police said Novosielski handled the situation properly.

''Obviously, someone got scared and called the police. Nobody driving down the street could tell it was a toy gun, so that's where the panic comes in. We charge that to anyone doing that,'' Lt. Robert Poli said.

''We're not going to tolerate anyone walking down the street, sitting on a bench ... if he's waving a gun around,'' Poli said. ''You don't know it's a toy gun.''

Saunders said police were not even going to come inside the cosmetology institute to tell her they were arresting her son. She said she learned from another woman her son was being arrested.

Saunders, wearing curlers in her hair, said she raced out to the police car to attempt to intervene on her son's behalf.

''He (Novosielski) snatched me by the arm and cuffed me. People were just walking down the street shaking their heads. I did not cuss at him, and I did not yell at him, because I'm not that type of person. I feel I'm the one that was disrespected,'' Saunders said of her arrest.

When informed her son was being arrested, Saunders attempted to pull her son away from the officer but moved away when told to, according to the report.

Police said Saunders pleaded with them not to arrest her son and to ''just give him a warning,'' according to the report. She also told police her son ''was just playing'' and that he didn't point the gun at anyone before asking police, ''Don't you have anything better to do?''

Saunders was eventually arrested after refusing to move away from the cruiser where her son had been placed, the report said. The officer told her to finish her business at the beauty salon and then come to the station to pick up her son, according to the report.

She is free on $750 bond and is scheduled to appear in Lorain Municipal Court today. The report of Thomas' arrest was forwarded to the juvenile court system, according to the police report.

Lorain County Prosecutor's Office spokesman Mark Hastings said the report had not been received yet.

©The Morning Journal 2003
 
This kinda stuff just makes me sick. And I don't want to hear about 9 year olds shooting cops. There comes a point when enough is enough. This idiot was out of lineand should be discharged or at least reasigned to a non public are as he obviously dosn't have the skills to deal with the public.
And to arrest a mother for verbally trying to come to her son's aide and refusing to abandon him is just plain stupid. I truly hope that this cop is severely disiplined and any prosecutor that brings charges should be dimissed by the voters. Heads should roll on this on.
 
This is absolutely unbelievable! What was the cop thinking? Here's one kid who'll never trust a cop again. Good PR job there officer Jack***.
 
unfreakin believable.do they need the revenue that bad...glad it wasnt neighborhood kids playing.:eek:zombie squad time.
 
One question though.....

Why was the gun "spray-painted" black? I thought those "fake guns" normally have an orange tip on the barrell? I wonder if it was painted that way to "appear" real. Not out of the question that others have painted one to look real before the commission of a crime. I'm not saying that is the case here though.... I don't think the boy should have been arrested.

Jack
 
Maybe the gun shouldn't have been painted black - if indeed it was. But any cop should be able to tell the difference between a real handgun and a toy in broad daylight. I think is improbable the officer didn't know what he was dealing with by the time he got close enough to cuff the youngster.
 
She should thank her lucky stars he wasn't shot 15 times (ruled justifiable) for making a Police Officer "Fear for his life." 9 years of age is old enough to explain and understand some very basic rules of life about guns, be they toy or real. Sad but true.
Parenting is a tough job. So is being a Police Officer.

Adios
 
9 years of age is old enough to explain and understand some very basic rules of life about guns
Maybe so, Louie, but did you catch this?
Thomas, who his mother said has been diagnosed with attention deficit disorder,
So we've got (apparently) a non-custodial Mom spending the day with her kid who has some degree of impairment, getting busted in an excess of zeal. Sounds like Lorain is trying to be like Newark or Trenton. :rolleyes:

TC
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Well....

If her son has "ADD" it was PROBABLY not the best idea to leave him unattended, on the side of the street, with a painted toy handgun.

Jack
 
This is ALMOST as big an embarrasment to Ohio as US Rep Dennis Kucinich, and former US Rep James "Dead possum for a toupee" Trafficant.
 
Though I agree that the boy getting arrested is a little much, two comments:

before asking police, ''Don't you have anything better to do?''

Probably not the best thing to say in that situation!:D

Saunders was eventually arrested after refusing to move away from the cruiser where her son had been placed, the report said. The officer told her to finish her business at the beauty salon and then come to the station to pick up her son, according to the report.

How can you be arrested and then go back and finish your hair appoinment? Do they really mean she was issued a citation? And if so, is using "arrested" a way for a writer to make things sound more dramatic?
 
This is ALMOST as big an embarrasment to Ohio as US Rep Dennis Kucinich,

Wait a minute, foghornl, Dennis Kucinich is going to institute a "Department Of Peace" when elected, so therefore there won't BE any confrontations between people and police, no crime, and certainly no need for toy or real guns.....:rolleyes:
 
When I was a kid,we took the little red thingy out of the barrels of our toy guns,and made every attempt to make them look real....maybe NOT such a great idea,but we were kids and we liked guns.I remember carrying my toy gun everywhere,when my Dad found out,he wasn't all that crazy about it,and said to keepthe toy at home........one Holloween I went as farmer w/ a REAL 410 shotgun.No body thought twice.....now I'm sure I'd be arrested.Times have changed...and not for the better....kids can't even be kids anymore w/out some Yaa-hoo testosterone head cop pointing a gun at the HEAD of a child.
1)is pointing a gun at a suspects HEAD even justifiable???
2)I could see if this kid was a 200lb. 16yr old,but he was 9.....
3)the Mom should've been a little more attentive to kid w/ ADD.....
Sad all around...:confused:
 
Lorain is on the west side of Cleveland, about a half hour from my house, actually. Just because the kid has ADD doesn't mean he can't sit outside of a store to wait for his mom. It's not like he was playing in traffic.
 
Wow, look at the pounding this cop is taking. Where are the beloved defenders of the blue when you need them most?
 
At least he wasn't a pet dog, otherwise, BAM! :rolleyes:

Not trying to be prejudiced, but the mom's name makes it sound as though they were black. Wonder if THAT had any bearing on the officer's decision to threaten him with deadly force. When this kid turns 16 and gets a car, I can see him possibly fleeing, rather than get "cuffed and stuffed" by the local cops for "driving while black.":rolleyes:
 
At what point in our nation's history did it become acceptable for a cop to aim a gun at the head of a child with ADD, cuff, and arrest him over a toy? All apparently AFTER the boy's mother informed police that it was indeed a toy?
...arrested him for juvenile delinquency by reason of inducing panic...
I think I figured out the point where it came acceptable... probably the point where a child with a toy gun induced panic. :mad:
 
Massively poor judgement, inexcusable.

And don't give me this "the toy gun was painted black" garbage, that just excuses the police from their responsibility to make responsible shoot/don't shoot decisions.

When I was a kid, we didn't even HAVE the orange end cap, and many of the cowboy toys looked pretty damned real.

And you sure in hell didn't have deputy Fife blasting away at kids. Along came the late 70's early 80's, with the "Oh so lifelike" toy guns, a couple of Barneys made bad choices, and viola: "It's the toy's fault".

Now, holding kids at gunpoint is officially ensconsed in our LEO SOP.

Does anyone else see anything wrong with this?

Are American cities crawling with so many heavily armed 8 & 9 year olds, sniping at cops from behind garbage cans that we have to have such hair triggers?

I think not.


Perspective, balance, and good judgement have gone completely out the window, and we have gone mad.
 
Are American cities crawling with so many heavily armed 8 & 9 year olds, sniping at cops from behind garbage cans that we have to have such hair triggers?

Just speculation, but black child = future criminal in the eyes of many, especially suburban LE.
 
Brings new light to the term "for the children', huh?

And yet, if the momma had come outside to see the cop pointing a gun at her child and shot the cop (rightly so), then she'd be tagged the bad guy!

:rolleyes:

How could any thinking person be expected to swallow this as anything less than tyranny/police state? It sounded like a full mag response was called for...that would be a high road response too, if you think about it.
 
In the kid's defense....he can't carry concealed in Ohio...now can he.:D

I'm with the cop up until the arrest (utter BS)..unless this article is leaving out some details. Pretty poor judgement on the part of mom though. That's just axin for trouble.
 
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