92s......setup to keep broken slide from flying off?

[FL-NC]

Deaf- in my experience, the weapons you listed do have parts that will eventually wear out. Most if not all of these parts will give indications of wear either during use or routing gauging, and typically be low-cost simple fixes, VS the M9 locking block which will be mechanically catastrophic in nature (but not causing injury to the user or bystanders).

 

[Deaf Smith]

Deaf- in my experience, the weapons you listed do have parts that will eventually wear out. Most if not all of these parts will give indications of wear either during use or routing gauging, and typically be low-cost simple fixes, VS the M9 locking block which will be mechanically catastrophic in nature (but not causing injury to the user or bystanders).

I agree. They have parts like extractors or firing pins that wear out... but none are TOLD to replace them after 5k rounds. Never heard of the U.S. Army telling GIs to replace the hammers or barrel (it has the lugs that fit the slide), or the slide for that matter, after 5K rounds. And Glock? One MIGHT replace their recoil springs after 5k (but I've used them way way past that... like 100k rounds in one of my IPSC Glock 17s.)

That is what is so bad.

Like the bolts in the AR platform. Most of you guys need to read Patrick Sweeny's books on the AR. The word 'millspec' and what it takes to change millspec rules for weapons.

What critical part on the Beretta M9/92 has to be replaced every 5,000 rounds?

Read way above sir. Way above in this thread.

Deaf

 

[pblanc]

The spec for the M9 contract was for a minimum service life of 5000 rds. This is not the same as saying the pistol is expected to fail after 5000 rds.

Here is an article with some objective data from military testing of the M9 pistol, many of which were fired to the 30,000 rd mark:

http://www.guns.com/2012/10/06/the-beretta-m9-debate-a-look-at-the-data/

It is true that the locking block design of the M9 is a known weak point, and one which can render the pistol unusable without prior warning. Fortunately, the locking block is a very quick swap and they are not very expensive. There was a time when trigger springs were known to fail in the 92FS/M9 but Beretta redesigned the trigger spring and such failures are now uncommon.

I have not heard of anyone, anywhere recommending changing the locking block on a Beretta 92FS/M9 after 5000 rds. I have seen recommendations to change the locking block at 15-20,000 rds, and if you check the link I cited, you will see that the army experienced some locking block failures during that interval.

 

[JTQ]

Read way above sir. Way above in this thread.

Just tell me, so I don't have to guess at what part you are claiming is a 5,000 round part.

 

[FL-NC]

I have a Glock 17 that went to just under 60k rounds that required a new trigger spring. The funny part is, when I took it apart to clean it & replace the spring, I realized something was missing. The left rear slide rail on the frame was MIA. No idea when it came out, since I never really cleaned that gun (trainer) unless it became so filthy that the gritty sounds in it started to bother me. So who knows how long it was firing with a missing rail. So I sent it to Glock, they put it in a new frame, cleaned it up, replaced everything except the slide and barrel, and even installed new trijicon sights. They removed my Vickers mag release and installed a stock one, but my Vickers was in the box when the gun shipped back about a week or so after I sent it. The price was the shipping cost to Glock.

M4 bolts- it was policy in the unit to replace M4 bolts whenever a barrel was replaced, in the event the barrel coded out. M4 barrels lasted about 18 months in that unit. Every bolt failure I saw is believed to have been the result of de-tempering as a result of heat from excessive (cyclic) full auto fire from people being stupid. I didn't allow that kind of foolishness with my guys, and we never had a bolt head failure. Our M4s were FA, not burst.

 

[JohnKSa]

And Glock? One MIGHT replace their recoil springs after 5k (but I've used them way way past that... like 100k rounds in one of my IPSC Glock 17s.)

That just means you ran your Glock way longer with an old recoil spring than you should have. The fact is that Glock recommends replacing the recoil spring assembly ever 5K rounds--3K rounds in pre-Gen4 guns that aren't 9mm.

They have parts like extractors or firing pins that wear out... but none are TOLD to replace them after 5k rounds. Never heard of the U.S. Army telling GIs to replace the hammers or barrel (it has the lugs that fit the slide), or the slide for that matter, after 5K rounds.

There is no official recommendation to replace any Beretta 92FS parts (other than perhaps recoil springs) at 5K intervals.

As far as recoil springs go, back on page two, you were informed that recoil springs are standard wear parts on most autopistols and that 3K to 5K replacement intervals are pretty standard for recoil springs.

Recoil springs aside.

Can you find someone who thinks its necessary to replace Beretta 92 parts at 5K intervals? Sure--you can find people with all sorts of nutty beliefs . Can you find people who actually DO replace Beretta 92 parts at 5K intervals. I'm sure you can, but that doesn't mean they had a good reason to do so.

Does Beretta recommend replacing parts at 5K intervals? No.
Do high-volume shooters/competitors who use Beretta 92 pistols replace parts at 5K intervals? No.

Is it possible that a badly worn Beretta 92 being shot with ammo on the hot end of the scale will go through locking blocks faster than it should? It's possible, I suppose, but that's a different story entirely than the one you're trying to tell.