950 Jetfire .25, and .25 in general

[MICHAEL T]

I went to you reference those are fired from a rifle .That apples and oranges we need as close to 2 inch as possible their the 25 wins
25 wins in Penetration in calibrated jell 13 to 16 inch I have never saw more than 8 to 10 in 22 from small pistols Even the mag has poor showing till inch or more over 2 inch barrel.

the 25 they list are 2 inch barrel from your reference . These better than NAA shows for their little 22 revolvers




.25 Auto 35 Safety (CB) 2 1150 FPS 103 FTLBS
35 JHP (S) 2 900 63
45 JHP (W) 2 815 66
50 FMJ (S) 2 760 65
50 FMJ (S) 2 760 64

 

[Onmilo]

It should be mentioned that the centerfired .25 auto is more reliable than .22 rimfire.
Anybody that says they have never had a misfire or dud with .22 rimfire is lying or doesn't shoot all that much!

 

[toivo]

Owners manual even tells you to carry hammer down loaded chamber Gee pre lawyer gun. When people knew how to lower a hammer and then how to cock and fire. a SA hammer gun.

With the tip-up barrel, you shouldn't have to lower the hammer to get the 950 ready to carry. Just put a full magazine in, then tip the barrel up and put one round in. Push the barrel back down, and you're ready to go.

The only time you need to lower the hammer is if you have cocked it and then decided not to shoot.

Of course, you can rack it to get the chamber loaded and then lower the hammer like a regular SA, but the tip-up barrel lets you avoid all that.

 

[Lone Star]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVFf1NGmByc


Good discussion of the 950 .25, from most angles.

 

[Lone Star]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDrvRYLtX8o&feature=related


Nuttin' Fancy shoots the Beretta .25 for accuracy. Note, too, that he had no jams. In other videos, he praises the reliability of the Jetfire/ M-950BS.

I really want one of these, although they've been discontinued.

The sole flaw is probably that the gun may fire if dropped on the hammer, if the hammer is down. Not sure if it'd fire when cocked, due to firing pin bounce.

Lone Star

 

[MICHAEL T]

My point I guess is today "they" tell me. I can't draw and cock a pistol That under stress you won't be able to do that my fine motor skills will be gone. Some body should have told those boys in 1800 's they couldn't draw and fire .Thier SA pistols
Or that I can't safety lower a hammer on a 1911.Been doing that nearly 50years. But I can lower A HAMMER ON A REVOLVER IF I DECIDE NOT TO FIRE. Guess that different somehow. I carried a 1911 for years and before I read Cooper I didn't know I was doing wrong. Now I know those that taught me were all wrong also.
The only way you getting the 950 up and running is to cock it unless you carry it cocked and locked.and that not possible on a Italian model as their is no safety.
I was in one shooting as a civilian many years back. I had a commander. Hammer down I drew cocked and fired was over in a sec .. I am not trying to argue C&L over hammer down .Just was saying in the old days Beretta had no trouble with you doing a hammer down and cocking when needed. I guess no one ever in formed Beretta people won't have the motor skills to cock their little pistol when needed.

 

[il_10]

Just found Brassfetcher's penetration tests and compared the .25 beretta 21a to the .22lr mini-revolvers.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/22minis.html

http://www.brassfetcher.com/CCI Blazer and Sellier and Bellot FMJ.html

Long story short, none of the .22lr made it to even 8" from the NAA, and CCI blazer 50g .25 made it to 16" from the 21a. Seems clear cut enough to me!

 

[Weevil]

Very interesting il 10.

Even out of a Walther P22 with a 3.4" BBL the best .22 lr penetration was 15.8".


http://www.brassfetcher.com/WaltherP22test.html


Yet the .25 out of a 2.4" BBL penetrates 16".


So much for the idea of .22 lr being some sort of powerhouse compared to the .25.

Out of similiar length barrels the .25 does seem to have the edge as least as far as penetration goes.

 

[il_10]

That's interesting, and a bit counter-intuitive compared to what I've heard forever in gun circles. It appears .22lr has to get to 3.5" or better to compare evenly with .25 in a 2" gun... I wonder how .25 performs out of a 3-4" barrel? I've never seen or fired .25 with a longer barrel than mousegun size, but now I'm curious. I know beretta made the 950 with a 4" barrel, but I've never seen one in person. Anyone have one of these and access to a chrono?

 

[Weevil]

That is an interesting question.


I'm like you though I've never seen a .25 with a barrel longer than 2.5" or so.

 

[MICHAEL T]

That's interesting, and a bit counter-intuitive compared to what I've heard forever in gun circles. It appears .22lr has to get to 3.5" or better to compare evenly with .25 in a 2" gun...

Isn't it amazing what a little research will do .You found the site That I was quoting the 25 penetration from. Remember FBI says must do at least 12". 25auto make the cut 22 doesn't. I am my self tired of the will bonce of leather jacket Where a 22 will bonce around inside the body or head doing much more damage . Stick it in the eye or ear might hurt them . My brother friend 4th cousin told him that he knew a guy shot 30 times with a 25 auto. He beat the guy up that shot him. Then set down for a steak dinner and couple drinks. Before driving himself 40 miles to hospital to see if by chance any one or the bullets might have bruised him..
If the 25 was so pitiful do you think still be around after a 100 years . That gun company's would still be making them .Their been a lot of calibers that have come and gone since 1906 But the under powered won't hurt you. 25 auto is still being made and ammo is still being made also. . Wonder why is that.

I know beretta made the 950 with a 4" barrel, but I've never seen one in person. Anyone have one of these and access to a chrono?

I saw one .It had a silencer attached to it It looked funny . Dealer had it . Never saw one fired or any reports . Bet if you did search the net can fine the info.

 

[Gordon]

I find it quite amusing for those who pontificate how the .22LR even in it's best guise is equal to a .25acp in a 2 inch barrel!
The .25 is wonderful in the Beretta pistols.It works very well in the old Colt Vest pocket and the new Astra Cub versions. It works in the baby browning which is an engineering miracle. The .25acp feeds well in FMJ form, at least and the centerfire primer is positive, the .22s downfall is light strikes IMHO.
Yessir those old Geco and RWS rounds with the silver polished cupro nick l FMJ bullets were hot and penetrated very well even on human skulls, which is where the .25 has been shown weak sometimes. I have seen the results of both from 50 years experience and heard about it 50 years back from my NYPD uncle. The mini mag rounds in my Beretta 21a .22lr chrono about 800 fps and the lighter Stingers actually get up to 880 or so. From my .25acp model I get 780 from the 50 gr Winchester ammo, 810 from the 45 grain Winchester "pellet point" which penetrated bone well BTW, 850 from the Speer 35 grain and 880 from the 50 grain Geco I have a stash of. I have some old solid brass hollow point Mag Safe rounds that go 970 fps! very hot indeed and the sharp edged brass hollowpoint don't glance off goats skulls The .22 Mag in a High Standard 101 derringer IS a good jump up and gives 1100 fps with a 40 grain bullet from it's 2.5" barrel.
You have no argument from me about the punyness of the .25acp and also to be fair there is some field (at least) evidence that the .22lr from a longer 3" and up barrel does more terminal damage than the .25 in the shorter 2" barrels. The energy figures quoted were skewed to this. In actuallity the .22short chambered 2" barrel pistols (a revolver has the cylinder length also) are very close in performance to the .22LR versions. This FACT has been known for many years. My .22 Astra Cubs are about the same in performance as the Beretta 21 in .22 LR IMHO. I like the 21 format better BTW as the DA makes for a safe quick pocket carry IMHO. I carry a .38spl in a 14oz gun as the bottom self defense powerfloor for me or anyone I train. No doubt an expert could use the .32acp or a .22LR Beretta Jaguar in an 18 oz gun to good effect, but WHY? The .25acp makes a good 2nd or 3rd gun IMHO and eye sockets and noses are certainly the preferred target!

 

[MICHAEL T]

I have a Astra cub 22 short I also believe its close to the 22LR from these little pistols
I want the Astra in 25 to have both . got the cub for a 100 bucks couldn't leave in case.