9mm 147gr Remington golden saber

[balderclev]

I've got a lot of these bullets that I want to load with Unique or 700x which are the only pistol powders I have.

I have found some recipes for 147gr Speer GDHP and would like to know if the recipes would be safe for this bullet.

 

[Sunray]

A jacketed 147 grains is a jacketed 147 grains. You load for the bullet weight, not who made it.
The 700X will give you lower velocities than the Unique. Not by much though. The loads on Alliant's site are max loads too. Reduce by 10% and work up.

 

[9mmepiphany]

A jacketed 147 grains is a jacketed 147 grains.

Maybe yes and maybe no.

Depends on how similar the bullet profile is.

You might compare bullet length of the two different bullets to see how each impacts the volume when seated to the same OAL

 

[Dudedog]

I have heard that the Speer GDHPs are really thick plated bullets.
The Rem GS is brass jacketed. Don't know if it makes a difference.

Now I will have to go dissect one of each to see....

9mm Luger
Bullet Speer TMJ 147 #4006

700X start 2.8gr 766fps max 3.6gr 949fps
Unique start 3.7gr 873fps max 4.5gr 1039fps

OAL 1.115"

 

[WVfishguy]

Sunray is correct.
I use Gold Dots and Golden Sabers interchangeably. While it's always good to be careful, handgun ammo is simply not so powerful that you have to be that fussy. JHPs of the same weights are interchangeable, as they are all copper jacketed. However, I've noticed Hornady XTP bullets often receive their own loading data, so that's something to keep an eye on.
Do not mistake jacketed bullets with plated bullets. Plated bullets should be loaded like lead bullets, but with less leading tendency.
Golden Sabers will sometimes shed their jackets, but they expand reliably and well. Gold Dots and XTPs are bonded bullets, i.e. they keep their jackets. I think jacket separation is overrated, but if you think it's a big deal, use Gold Dots or XTPs.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I have heard that the Speer GDHPs are really thick plated bullets.
The Rem GS is brass jacketed. Don't know if it makes a difference.

I keep hearing about the Gold Dot being plated bullets. Technically they are but only because of the way they bond the jacket to the lead. The plating is just as thick or thicker than the common jacketed bullet. Gold Dot bullets should be loaded with jacketed bullet load data, not plated data.

 

[Potatohead]

Plated bullets should be loaded like lead bullets,

Not so fast my friend! Mid level jacketed data is fine for plated..

 

[Potatohead]

Maybe yes and maybe no.

Depends on how similar the bullet profile is.

You might compare bullet length of the two different bullets to see how each impacts the volume when seated to the same OAL

Im in this corner..

 

[rg1]

Haven't loaded the 147 gr. Golden Saber but have loaded a lot of 124's. The Golden Saber with the driving band creates less pressure than does a copper jacketed or a plated bullet. Normally it requires about two tenths of a grain more powder to reach the same velocity and pressure of a copper jacketed bullet. Unique would be the better choice of the two powders you have. Golden Saber data I've used for 45ACP, 40 S&W, and 9MM would all be safe by using data for same weight Hornady XTP bullets. Do start lower and work up your loads. Some of Alliant's data for the Gold Dot's is quite warm so approach their max data with caution. All factory Golden Sabers I've measured have the driving band just inside the case mouth and very lightly taper crimped to just remove any belling and not tightly crimped against the smaller diameter of the bullet. Info I've seen on the 147 GS says overall length is the same as the 124GS at 1.125". Start low and work up.

 

[Trailduster79]

Where did you find the loose bullets?

 

[MCMXI]

Where did you find the loose bullets?

Probably inside the Remington ammuntion plant just up the road in Lonoke, AR. Lots of components manage to walk right on out of there!

 

[rcmodel]

Cabala's sold them in plastic bags for years..

And just to dispel some bad info in this thread?

Gold-Dots are bonded, because they are Plated.
Just plating Way Thicker then low-budget plated bullets.

They should be loaded using published Speer data for Max performance.
Or, using data for a conventional jacketed bullet if you are too broke to buy a Speer reloading manual.
(NOT using lead bullet data.)

Hornady XTP are conventional jacketed bullets, and Are Not bonded.

They just perform like they are due to excellent jacket & HP design.

rc

 

[Dudedog]

Please note, I said I had heard, not that I knew about the Gold Dots,
not trying to spread bad info, sorry.
Thanks for the update on Gold Dots.
I like both Gold Dots and Golden Sabers for what I might have to use them for.
Both seem to get good reviews for thier intended purpose.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/9x19mm Luger/9mm Luger.htm
(interesting , great slo-mo footage)