9mm 90 gr. XTP load?

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Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and reloading and for this reason I'm very cautious when loading. I tend to go with a mid range load but with this bullet I'm stumped. I found some 9mm hornady xtp 90gr and my books seem to be all over the place. My three books state the following info. for win 231.
Start. Max
Lyman 49th 4.0@1156fps - 5.2@1411fps
Hogdon 2013 5.5@1312fps - 5.8@1349fps
Hornady 9th 4.7@1150fps - 5.6@1300fps
I have other powders I can use but this was the only one I could reference in all three books. I thought with these xtp's I might go toward the higher end but with this data I don't know. The hornady book naturally says xtp, the lyman says JHP and hodgon is SPR GDHP I would think these are all similar enough, right? Has anyone used these bullets or have any suggestions and is it common to have widespread data like this?
Thanks.
 
Those sound like .380 bullets. 90 grain xtp at 9x19 velocity would not penetrate very well IMO. Most likely it would turn itself inside out.
 
These bullets do have data in both 380 and 9mm. When I found them I thought I would try them out, maybe a waste of money I don't know. But I do know I've wasted money on worse things.
 
If I were in your shoes I'd only look at the Hornady data since they were the only ones to test the XTP. Start at 4.7gr and WORK UP, don't just start in the middle of the load range.
 
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Is there some reason you don't want to use the Hornady data specific to the XTP?

Hornady data says:

Bullet - 90gr. XTP
Powder - W231 = 4.7 gr. - 5.6 grs.

BTW, I run them full house with Longshot, and have had great results. They'll certainly handle a W231 load.
GS
 
gamestalker said:
Is there some reason you don't want to use the Hornady data specific to the XTP?

Hornady data says:

Bullet - 90gr. XTP
Powder - W231 = 4.7 gr. - 5.6 grs.

BTW, I run them full house with Longshot, and have had great results. They'll certainly handle a W231 load.
GS
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I will most likely go with the hornady data. There mins aren't the lowest and the max isn't the highest and the data is specific to the xtp. This is just the first time I've came across data like this.
 
KansasSasquatch said:
If I were in your shoes I'd only look at the Hornady data since they were the only ones to test the XTP. Start at 4.7gr and WORK UP, don't just start in the middle of the load range.
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Just cause I'm new can I ask why not go to the middle of charge range? Seems like it would be the safest place because most likely enough powder to cycle correct and should give you a little tolerance so you don't over or under charge. I could be wrong in my thinking though.
 
EVO said:
Just cause I'm new can I ask why not go to the middle of charge range? Seems like it would be the safest place because most likely enough powder to cycle correct and should give you a little tolerance so you don't over or under charge. I could be wrong in my thinking though.
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Pretty much a good rule to follow on any new load, especially if you are new to reloading to always start at the min charge and work up.

Load a few like 10 or 20, then some in the middle, see what works best as to accuracy. That's why they give a beginning and max charge.

Gamestalker gave you the data right out of the Hornady manual. They made the bullet and tested the bullet. The main thing with the smaller bullet is the correct OAL which they list at 1.070.
 
Lyman #49 is using a Sierra 90 grain.

It tells you what each bullet is right in the beginning of each calibers data section.

rc
 
Ok, I was thinking mid charge for the safety, but you are working your way up from the min for the accuracy.
Thanks
 
I have this same bullet. Using some for .380 but would like to use some for 9mm. Can't find any data for my powder though (IMR PB).
 
Hornady has always been noted for too-thick, too tough jackets. From a 5" barrel, 1400 fps with a 90 gr jhp is a wussy load. The original Glaser 9mm was 96 grs at 1800 fps. :) Hornady's Frontier line of 90 gr jhp was WAY under-loaded, last I checked, at 1200 fps. No, the 90 gr Hornady jhp will not "break-apart" at a mere 1400 fps. Shoot some vermin with it and see for yourself. It will just be getting started on expansion. If you want expansion at lower speeds, use the 90 gr Sierra bullet.
 
9thchild said:
I have this same bullet. Using some for .380 but would like to use some for 9mm. Can't find any data for my powder though (IMR PB).
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It's in the hodgon book and on their website

Edit: Sorry, that's not xtp it's SPR GDHP.
 
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I posted a thread a little while ago about using up these smaller bullets. When the 380 craze was going on I bought several thousand 85 and 90 grain jacket bullets. I want to use them in 9mm to shoot at the range. I just loaded up some test ones and it's tricking getting enough bullet in the case to get good neck tension, The XTP has more of a flat nose and mine are regular RN so of course no matter what COL they will pass the "plunk" test:)
 
Most if not all xtp bullets have a cannelure. Always seat to that. Sure there could be a little give or take in the cannelure region, but not enough to make a difference generally.
 
I have boxes of these 90 gr XTPs. They say 9mm, they are .355. I'm guessing these are the same XTPs that are in many factory .380 rounds.

They do not have a cannelure.

Seem awfully light for 9mm, I'm going to use them in my .380
 
I said most if not all.. gosh. ;)

What is funny is in am using 90 grain xtp +p loads in my .380. If the wife wasn't sleeping I'd look at them. Most of my xtp experience is with .312 and .429/.430 or .45 caliber. All of those have cannelures. I guess that was a bad assumption on my part, but those are revolver bullets, so I'd expect them to have the cannelure. I know I had some 124 gr factory 9 mil that had a cannelure, also.

Thanks for the update. I will look at my .380 loads, and see what they look like and report back today.
I guess I am looking at low penetration as well. This coming from my first post by using .380 that travels at advertised 1200 fps.
Thought I was getting gold dots, but must have had a late night oversight. I did kill a deer with the 100 gr xtp traveling 1070 fps from my . 32 h&r magnum. Traveled nine inches and broke two vertebrae. I have the bullet if you want to see the pic of how it performed on flesh and bone. Then shot was taken at ten feet.
 
I keep reading "start from min and work up" posted here. I really don't believe that is the case with most powders. I was taught, and most powder manufacturers state, "start at 10% below max and work up". Of course with a few powders the min is greater than 90% of max, H110 comes to mind. But the general rule I have always followed is start at 90% of max unless 90% of max is less than the listed min. And of course always work up incrementally. With the exception of HBWC, I can't think of that many loads that are more accurate or reliable at the min charge. Most min charges for handguns are the lowest charge that will reliably cycle the action.
 
I have .355 in 115gr and 124gr XTPs on my bench and have worked up good loads for both. Neither have a cannelure:neener:

I'm curious about the 90gr. I am using sierra JHP in .380 right now. I considered trying the XTPs. This would be for pocket sized .380 pistols.
 
Sitting in front of me is XTP's .355" 9mm in 90 gr, 115 gr, 124 gr., and 147 gr. and none have canelures. The only thing different about any of them is the 147's are a boat tail.

A canelure would have no purpose for an AL-ing bullet because they head space on the mouth, thus they do not rely on a roll crimp for neck tension. All the neck tension is attained from a properly resizing AL rimless case, not crimp. Rimmed cases such as 38 spcl, 44 mag., 45 LC, and so on, all rely on a roll crimp into the canelure.

GS
 
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