9mm fmj for HD

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

If I can put all rounds into an enemy at 10 feet, I'm trying to drop him by a spinal cord injury. I am not relying on blood loss to kick in. That puts the FMJ at the top of the list.

JHPs can penetrate the spinal cord if shot from the front.

 

[David E]

nobody can surgically put rounds where they want them in a real shooting incident. But in self defense, I am relying on taking away the threats mobility rather than wait for lethal blood loss to kick in.

Ok......

You agree that placing your round(s) with surgical precision is next to impossible in a dynamic defensive situation.....but regardless, your "go to" target is still the spinal cord......

You'd be better off aiming for the pelvis if your goal is to take away their mobility. It's bigger to hit and 9mm FMJ might do enough damage to their pelvis to immobilize them.... But being immobile does not mean they're no longer a threat. They can still shoot you from the ground even if they can't feel their legs.

 

[Evil Monkey]

but regardless, your "go to" target is still the spinal cord

dude are you serious? it's not my "go to" anything. I'm simply saying that in a horrible situation like a shootout, I rely on delivering a spinal cord injury over lethal blood loss because I trust the quick incapacition of a spinal cord injury more than I do trust losing blood pressure and blacking out.

I never said I would be deliberately trying to hit something specific. However, seeing how I would rely on a spinal cord injury, of course I would not have a problem with 9mm FMJ because it can deliver such a wound.

your milage may vary.

 

[Ben86]

I believe that the Marshall/Sanow data is a bit misleading because most attackers are not especially determined predators in the sense that when they have realized they have been shot they mentally quit instead of focusing on harming their victim even after sustaining injury.

Therefore although 70% supposedly stopped after being hit with one fmj it does not mean it is a good load to stop a determined attacker as a 70% "stopping" percentage might have you believe.

That said I'm sure it can get the job done, but there are MUCH better options that will result in a higher likelihood of a fast stop. There are only likelihoods not guarantees.

 

[David E]

never said I would be deliberately trying to hit something specific.

Yes, you did:

I rely on delivering a spinal cord injury...

Most people teach and train to aim center mass. A few emphasize head shots. No one teaches "spinal cord."

 

[Evil Monkey]

Yes, you did

Most people teach and train to aim center mass. A few emphasize head shots. No one teaches "spinal cord."

:banghead:


I said I rely on that type of injury. A spinal cord injury is part of center mass shooting.

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rely---1. to be dependent on.
2. to have trust or confidence in.


what part of this don't you understand? Didn't I say in the last post I am not deliberately trying to hit something specific? Why do you choose to ignore that sentence even though you quoted it?

here it is again.....this time in big colorful letters to better help you understand.

I never said I would be deliberately trying to hit something specific

 

[beeenbag]

im feeling a clank, a lound clank of a lock coming on.

 

[Evil Monkey]

im feeling a clank, a lound clank of a lock coming on.

Dude, you can always count on a gun forum member to argue over semantics and words. It gets aggravating. It's like they don't understand english. They keep quoting stuff and saying "no you meant this. no you said that. no this is how I interpret it. blah blah blah".

Give it a rest already.

 

[David E]

Well, words mean things. I can only presume people use certain words to convey the meaning they're trying to get across, but this is not always the case, as we see here.

I hope your load and strategy works for you, but I pray you never have to find out either way.

Merry Christmas!

 

[AdamSean]

Uh...no!!! Are you trying to go through multiple walls and accidentally shoot the neighbor? Hollow points. And maybe Glaser Safety Slugs in an apartment with thin walls.

 

[dirtengineer]

FMJ for practice, quality HP of your choice for SD.

I would find a HP that is completely reliable in your weapon.

 

[918v]

Here is a FMJ bullet that completely penetrated a chest cavity. I'd say say this would likely stop someone quite fast. The whole "Hulk-like drug addict bullet sponge" scenario isn't something I see on a high enough basis to be considered a problem.

I read about somebody doing the same to a bear. The 124gr NATO round broke the Bear's upper front leg bone and the victim was not eaten.

I wouldn't use it for SD because JHP is reliable in 99% of 9mm pistols.