Would a heavy load like 147gr in HP or flat nose suffice in your opinion on coyote or a dog in the wild? I want to load up a pistol and use it for woods carry only during deer archery season and not have to switch ammo back and forth for CCW duty, i my area i have coyote and some dogs from time to time that have a different attitude when they are packed up and away from their owners.
9MM for coyote/dog protection?
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rcmodel
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IMO: A lighter JHP, probably the same 115 or 124 grain one you use for CCW would be a better option on Coyotes & normal size dogs.
You don't need deep penetration, because they are only 1/4 as big in weight as a 200 pound BG.
Fast expansion and a big hole will work better.
I used to handgun hunt coyotes with 125 grain JHP in a .357.
It flat slaps them down.
rc
You don't need deep penetration, because they are only 1/4 as big in weight as a 200 pound BG.
Fast expansion and a big hole will work better.
I used to handgun hunt coyotes with 125 grain JHP in a .357.
It flat slaps them down.
rc
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Any 9mm load will dispatch a coyote/dog sized creature. Using FMJ will mean you will need to be aiming well as the penetration and velocity would just go right through some parts without hurting the animal much. I'd assume a torso shot with FMJ would put a dog-sized creature down, though.
420Stainless
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I don't know anything about killing dogs, but those ought to do it.Thanks guys good to know, i will just leave my Glock 19 loaded with Speer GD 124+p's that i use for CCW/HD.
AABEN
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The 115 124 in a HP will do. I have some IMI HP that is die cut and I can not find them any more. They do a very good job. I will not carry them in the winter for I think they would fill up with the winter clothing here in IN
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Why would you think it would not kill a coyote?
Why would you think it would not suffice to kill a coyote?
Please understand that I'm not trying to be snide with that question,,,
But I would/do have strong confidence in the cartridge,,,
I have read that 9mm is hotter than .38 Special,,,
And I've seen what that round does to dogs.
That's where my confidence in your 9mm round would come from,,,
Especially because the specific load you mentioned,,,
Is very similar to the 158 grain LSWC I used.
I often wonder if we don't overthink these things a wee bit.
Aarond
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Why would you think it would not suffice to kill a coyote?
Please understand that I'm not trying to be snide with that question,,,
But I would/do have strong confidence in the cartridge,,,
I have read that 9mm is hotter than .38 Special,,,
And I've seen what that round does to dogs.
That's where my confidence in your 9mm round would come from,,,
Especially because the specific load you mentioned,,,
Is very similar to the 158 grain LSWC I used.
I often wonder if we don't overthink these things a wee bit.
Aarond
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MCgunner
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I killed a coyote the other day with a Silverado. Lots of mass at low speeds....well, 70 mph.
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Buffalo Bore +P+ 124gr FMJ Penetrator....
For deep woods carry or defense, Id look into the Buffalo Bore 9x19mm 124gr FMJ +P+ Penetrator, www.BuffaloBore.com .
It's designed to go deep & has a high vel.
It's not meant or engineered for regular CC or home protection but would be good for 9mm semi auto pistols.
It should work well for feral dogs, cats, boar, etc.
For deep woods carry or defense, Id look into the Buffalo Bore 9x19mm 124gr FMJ +P+ Penetrator, www.BuffaloBore.com .
It's designed to go deep & has a high vel.
It's not meant or engineered for regular CC or home protection but would be good for 9mm semi auto pistols.
It should work well for feral dogs, cats, boar, etc.
MCgunner
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Wow, I've never been attacked by a feral cat and I didn't realize it took a +p+ something to take out Tabby. Mean cat....
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Catastrophic ....
A +P+ 9x19mm isn't just for cats .
FWIW; I've seen a few news stories on wild housecats & feral cats that are no joke.
If I had to draw down on Grumpy Cat or his cousin on bath salts then so be it!
Rusty
A +P+ 9x19mm isn't just for cats
.FWIW; I've seen a few news stories on wild housecats & feral cats that are no joke.
If I had to draw down on Grumpy Cat or his cousin on bath salts then so be it!
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rcmodel
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Again, for 40 pound Coyotes or 55 pound feral dogs?
You Do Not Want 'Deep Penetrator' Buffalo Bore hot loads.
Light and fast with great expansion is what puts down animals that size, DRT.
You can shoot all the deep through & through holes in them you want too with no expansion.
But unless you hit the spine or the brain?
It's gonna take a while before their brain runs out of oxygen and they find out they are walking dead while slowly leaking to death.
A fast opening JHP through the boiler room makes them figure that out much faster!
rc
You Do Not Want 'Deep Penetrator' Buffalo Bore hot loads.
Light and fast with great expansion is what puts down animals that size, DRT.
You can shoot all the deep through & through holes in them you want too with no expansion.
But unless you hit the spine or the brain?
It's gonna take a while before their brain runs out of oxygen and they find out they are walking dead while slowly leaking to death.
A fast opening JHP through the boiler room makes them figure that out much faster!
rc
ljnowell
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Exactly what I was going to post. Since your words were do eloquent I will just quote you RC.
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I disagree but.......
I disagree that a Buffalo Bore Penetrator 9x19mm wouldn't be good for general carry. I don't see how any forum member here can say what the gun owner will encounter or how any bullet design will act/perform with every type of animal; bear, dog, coyote, cat, snake, etc.
I would add that if the Buffalo Bore +P+ round is too much or out of reach, the DRT load could be effective also.
I disagree that a Buffalo Bore Penetrator 9x19mm wouldn't be good for general carry. I don't see how any forum member here can say what the gun owner will encounter or how any bullet design will act/perform with every type of animal; bear, dog, coyote, cat, snake, etc.
I would add that if the Buffalo Bore +P+ round is too much or out of reach, the DRT load could be effective also.
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I disagree that a Buffalo Bore Penetrator 9x19mm wouldn't be good for general carry. I don't see how any forum member here can say what the gun owner will encounter or how any bullet design will act/perform with every type of animal; bear, dog, coyote, cat, snake, etc.
I would add that if the Buffalo Bore +P+ round is too much or out of reach, the DRT load could be effective also.
You really think that a non expanding +p+(which there is no spec for) round designed for deep penetration is great for an everyday carry round? For use on small game where even a hollowpoint that fully expands is going to pass through?
I'm having a herd time believing you are serious really.
Hunter2011
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Hollow points all the way. The difference between HP and solids are a lot, even if just shooting a .22LR.
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Post #17.....
I didn't say the Buffalo Bore 9x19mm is intended for regular, everyday carry use. It could work well for a 9mm pistol meant for deep woods carry/outdoor use.
I read over the website product description again & it states the flat nose 9x19mm 124gr bullet can work well against game/wild animals found in the woods.
The vel is around 1300fps & the KE level is reported at 465(foot/lbs). That sounds mighty powerful to me for a woods/outdoor carry pistol.
As noted, if you don't like the Penetrator load or don't want to use it, dont. No ones twisting your arm to buy it.
I didn't say the Buffalo Bore 9x19mm is intended for regular, everyday carry use. It could work well for a 9mm pistol meant for deep woods carry/outdoor use.
I read over the website product description again & it states the flat nose 9x19mm 124gr bullet can work well against game/wild animals found in the woods.
The vel is around 1300fps & the KE level is reported at 465(foot/lbs). That sounds mighty powerful to me for a woods/outdoor carry pistol.
As noted, if you don't like the Penetrator load or don't want to use it, dont. No ones twisting your arm to buy it.
ljnowell
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I disagree that a Buffalo Bore Penetrator 9x19mm wouldn't be good for general carry. I don't see how any forum member here can say what the gun owner will encounter or how any bullet design will act/perform with every type of animal; bear, dog, coyote, cat, snake, etc.
I would add that if the Buffalo Bore +P+ round is too much or out of reach, the DRT load could be effective also.
I didn't say the Buffalo Bore 9x19mm is intended for regular, everyday carry use. It could work well for a 9mm pistol meant for deep woods carry/outdoor use.
I read over the website product description again & it states the flat nose 9x19mm 124gr bullet can work well against game/wild animals found in the woods.
The vel is around 1300fps & the KE level is reported at 465(foot/lbs). That sounds mighty powerful to me for a woods/outdoor carry pistol.
As noted, if you don't like the Penetrator load or don't want to use it, dont. No ones twisting your arm to buy it.
When I read general carry I think of everyday carry not special outdoor/woods carry. To me that and general carry mean two very different things. I think that if you were concerned with black bear that might be a pretty good load but anything much smaller and it's probably not real great.
Although, on second thought it would be good for use as a "have to get food to survive" round on such things as deer.
fxstchewy,
your carry load will work splendidly in this scenario: plenty of bullet and power, don't have to adjust for different poi, don't have to worry about ftfs, etc.
and if that pitbull size dog comes at you, just shoot em twice!
murf
your carry load will work splendidly in this scenario: plenty of bullet and power, don't have to adjust for different poi, don't have to worry about ftfs, etc.
and if that pitbull size dog comes at you, just shoot em twice!
murf
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Most states have a min cal for a handgun to use/carry during big game season. Does the 9mm meet that standard in your state ?
Your DNR site should give that information.
Your DNR site should give that information.
HankB
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Coyotes aren't armored - Texas governor Rick Perry used a Ruger .380 to kill a coyote that went after him and his dog when they were out for a walk.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/28/texas-governor-shoots-kills-coyote-threatened-dog/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/28/texas-governor-shoots-kills-coyote-threatened-dog/
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