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9mm Glocks.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by blarby, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. blarby

    blarby Member

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    School me on 9mm Glocks please.


    Speak slowly, and clearly, if possible.

    I'm starting to see the light- and want it made brighter.

    If you have the ability and experience, gen 1 to gen 4.

    If not, anything beneficial and useful is certainly read and understood.


    Any additional experience with 9mm and lead bullets would also be helpful, but not required.
     
  2. primalmu

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    Quite a broad question you are asking. Perhaps if you had some specific questions? Otherwise, you can find much more information on the internet using Google than will ever be given to you here.
     
  3. megaton

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    Some basics, g26 = subcompact; g19 = compact; g17 = full size.

    I believe g26 is 10+1, g19 is 15+1, and g17 is 17+1, although the only one I am 100% on is the g19.

    I have shot both g19 and g17 never shot a g26. When I was shopping glocks, it was between the g19 and g17. I opted for the 19, the extra two round capacity of the 17 does not outweigh the carryability of the 19, and for me both felt very good in my hand.

    Stock glock barrels have polygonal(sp?) rifling and it is not advised to shoot lead through them as massive pressure spikes can occur. Or so says conventional wisdom, I personally am not going to challenge it.

    I reload lead 9mm for my Sig, its pretty much like reloading for any other pistol caliber in my book. 9mm is a high pressure cartridge so obviously safety and caution are paramount, but that holds true for all reloading regardless of caliber. I shoot 124g LRN bullets with Bullseye powder and range pickup brass. I don't think the bullseye is optimal but its what I have around and it works just fine for my application.

    Good luck and happy glock hunting. I loved my g19, it was a third gen. Unfortunately I sold it due to financial problems and have not yet bought a replacement for it. It was my favorite pistol, and the pistol that I was most proficient with. When I find the right deal I will replace it.
     
  4. Jaymo

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    Used 9mm Glocks are hard to find, because 9mm is regaining popularity as a result of the price of 9mm ammo (compared
    to .40 and .45 ammo).

    Thee was a lot more space between the words, when I typed it, but it posted with fewer spaces.
     
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  5. megaton

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    In my neck of the woods, I have seen 4 g19s and a g17 for sale in the last 4-5 months. I actually facilitated a deal for my brother, he got a LNIB 4th gen for $400, was a sweet deal that I would have jumped on if he had not asked me to be on the lookout. Unfortunately, people fall into hard times and their gun collection happens to be one way to bail themselves out. Other times people just get bored.
     
  6. tacxted

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    Megaton gave a great basic over view. He is right about the magazine capacities. I would like to add that the g34 is the competition model in 9mm. The g34 is 17+1 just like the g17, only it has a longer barrel and slide.

    I own a g17 and a g26 both gen 3.

    Glocks are light weight and can share mags within a caliber, for instance, the small g26 (10+1) can use g19, g17/g34 and g18 mags. (15, 17/17 and 33 rounds) But the reverse is not possible. That is to say a g17 cannot use the g26 mag or the g19 mag.
     
  7. Unka-Boo

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    Pros:

    Stupid simple, reliable, cheap

    Cons:

    Trigger is "different" until you get used to it, grip/grip angle leaves a lot to be desired for some people.


    They are very high on the "value to longevity" scale. Like any hand gun, see if you can try one out before you commit to buy, shoot one if possible. I'm assuming "JC" is Junction City? If you were closer, I'd be more than happy to make arrangements for you to try mine....

    My EDC is a 3rd Gen G19, I've added a Grip Force beaver tail and took a file to the finger grooves to flatten them out ( :eek: ), after those two mods, it is as perfect for me as it gets.
     
  8. Jaymo

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    The Gen 3 and 4 Glock grips don't fit my hands, because of the silly finger grooves.
    I couldn't see paying $550.00 for a brand new pistol that doesn't fit my hands.
    I couldn't see taking a file to a brand new pistol, to remove the finger grooves.

    I don't like the Glock grip angle, or the factory trigger pull.
    I ended up buying the Ruger sR9 and am glad I did.
     
  9. Unka-Boo

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    It's easy....put gun in padded vise, grab file...don't think about it too much and get after it....;)

    I got mine for under $500 after failing to find a 2nd gen anywhere ( no grooves )....I do see your point though....and that's something for the OP to think about too, there are plenty of other options in the same price range that may fit better, it all depends. Talking hand gun "fit" is almost an exercise in futility as it's completely dependent on individual needs.
     
  10. dbro822

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    I have a gen 3 19, love it, my dad has a gen1 17. The 19 fits my hand and points better then the 17, and I am a lot more accurate with it, but the 17 dose seem to shoot softer. It is hard to beat the 19, size makes it good for carry, but big enough to shoot +p rounds with ease. Either way your good to go.
     
  11. blarby

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    I've got to paw a few different ones, and the full size 17 fits me for certain considerably better.

    Must have been an older one, as I don't recall finger grooves.

    I'm not averse to hacking them off if it came to that, and grip taping over the hack job.

    I would like the capacity, and reliability, that come with a full size Glock.
     
  12. mgmorden

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    They're good, reliable guns. I've got a Gen2 Glock 17 (so full-size 9mm without finger grooves). I'm a fan of the Gen2-era guns as I don't like rails nor the finger grooves.

    Mine gave me a little trouble before I took it to a Glock armorer and he determined that the extractor was chipped. Glock offers this service for free at GSSF matches which is another boon. They swapped out the broken extractor, a firing pin, recoil spring, and half the other parts in the slide for free. Works great now.

    As to the lead bullets, its not recommended that you shoot them a lot in the factory barrel. It can be done and I know people that do it, but the lead builds faster and after enough rounds it can cause a pressure spike. If you do it, just make sure the THOROUGHLY clean the barrel after each outing, or better yet, use an aftermarket barrel.

    As to the gun itself, the only negatives I'd have is that the ergonomics aren't as good as they could be. Due to several factors I ended up shooting my Glock a lot for a month or two instead of my M&P which is normally my go-to 9mm, and I can honestly say that when I picked that M&P back up I really was reminded of just why I like that gun better. It fits like a glove, while the Glock you just kinda learn to live with.

    Overall though, when everything's right the Glock is completely reliable, relatively accurate, and has parts everywhere. Heck if a high-cap mag ban ever comes back around I will honestly say a Glock will be the gun to have, because there's probably enough mags already out there to last the market for decades :).

    Get one and enjoy.
     
  13. blarby

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    Thank ya, Sir !

    Any idea what the going rate is for an (Almost certainly, at this point) used 2nd Gen G17 in your neck of the woods ?
     
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    I have a Gen4 G26. (Subcompact, new rough texture frame, backstrap addon options.) It's my every day, concealed carry gun; I haven't owned many other guns but I've held and shot a lot of other guns. J-frame revolvers, 380 pocket guns, commander sized 1911's, and although I liked them all I wouldn't trade in my G26 for any of them any day of the week.

    There are SO many options for modifications. Most of them are "just for fun" or "would be nice", but IMHO there are two (well, technically three) things that complete the G26 and turn it into the perfect concealed carry gun: the first and most important is a set of magazine base plate replacements from GAP Enterprises. It's not one of those extensions that makes the gun longer, or adds length to the grip - it just extends outward to give your ring finger something to rest on. Doesn't look like much but it makes drawing from an IWB holster so much easier, and gives a little extra control on followup shots. The second (and third) is an IWB holster and a pocket holster, I very strongly recommend both from Raven Concealment

    As for would-be-nice, a lot of people don't like the idea of replacing the recoil assembly with a Lasermax guide rod, or becoming too reliant on a laser, but I think it's a nice added bonus. I wouldn't say it needs it though - I treat it as a backup sight, rather than a primary. Lastly, they make magazine sleeves that can slide over the full-size high capacity mags that basically turn the gun into a short-barreled version of the full size glocks.

    On a side note, I've often wondered if the Glock 26 slide could be milled down for a trench sight. I'd get rid of the iron sights and go trench with it in a heartbeat, but I'm just not sure if there's enough slide there to cut away. Plus the way the barrel shroud fits in, you'd have to mill part of that away as well.
     
  15. golfer_ray

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    My Glock story is a little different. My wife didn't want guns around when we got married, but after 27 years of marriage, and that we're a little older, she's reconsidered. I hadn't fired a gun of any sort in 25 years & I went to a gun range just over a year ago. The rep shoves a Glock 17 in my hand, states this is the gun I want, & it's only $650. With my stubborn German/Irish nature, I don't like people telling me what I'll like, so I had a initial bias against it, and I didn't like how light it felt.

    I did get a CZ 75B, which I love, but I wanted a 2nd pistol for additional home defense. All my internet research kept leading to the same point. More than any other pistol, when you pull the trigger on a Glock, it goes "bang". Obviously, reliability is a huge factor for home defense, so I purchased a Glock 17. After 200 rounds, I've really gained confidence with accuracy, and those 33 round mags are "da' bomb!" I have the gen 3 with night sights that I purchased for $539 from Buds.
    !
     
  16. tarosean

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    Not sure where you live but they are about as hard to find as a bag of Lays potato chips..


    They are thicker than most guns.
    Lots of internet posts of issues with 4th Gen models (extractors mainly)
    They go bang all the time, if they dont get rid of it.
     
  17. C0untZer0

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    Don't forget the 17L

    Fun gun, easy to aim, hardly any recoil, great range gun and nightstand gun.

    If carrying isn't one of your requirments I highly recomend the Glock 17L

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  18. stevolene

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    19

    the 19 would be my choice, very little recoil, easy breakdown, cheap ammo, a little heavy for concealed carry for me, a bit chunky, super reliable though, Glock needs a single stack pistol
     
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    that's a nice gun, I've never seen one at a gun shop, I imagine it shoots like a dream
     
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    I started out my CCW with a G27. With it I had purchased a Storm Lake 9mm conversion barrel. Thought I could do better and went to S&W M&P. Great gun but I went back to Glock. The Glock is easier to work on and maintain. A friend of mine got me hooked on the G23, which is the the 40 cal version of the G19. The G23 has been my EDC for several months now. It also helped that I bought 3 of them for under $400 each. With NS and 1 mag. Went with the 40 cal because of the variety of ammo and supply. You can also find conversion barrels that will allow you to run 9mm ammo with only a barrel and mag change. The last thing that sold me was the .22 kits available for the Glock. You can train or teach someone to shoot the Glock or just have a lot of fun plinking with a conversion kit and save yourself a ton of money in ammo. Just for the simplicity is a big part of the reason I went back to Glock.

    Most of your deciding factor should be what fits and works for you. You won't find a better carry and HD/SD weapon than the G19/23. That is why they are so popular. Used G19s are bringing $450 to 500 here. G23 are some cheaper. You can also ad the 357Sig barrel to the G23 frame. There are so many possibilities. The G19 is a great weapon.

    My preference is the Gen 3 Glock models. The Gen 4 are nice but they have had some isssues with the G4 models.

    I use to carry a Sig P238. Did some checking and comparing and I am able to conceal my G27 and G23 just as good as the little Sig. I would rather have 10 or 13 rds of .40 than 6/7 of the .380. Not wanting to start a caliber war or debate but that is how it worked for me.

    You can shoot lead out of stock Glock barrel. They don't recommend it but it won't hurt. It just requires a bit more care and cleaning of the barrel.
     
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    I've been a 1911 shooter for over 35 years, and a Glock shooter for a little over 10 years. I didn't particularly like them and had never owned one till I had to carry one (Gen2 G22) as a duty weapon. I have found them to be unbelievably reliable and accurate.

    My 9mm Glock arsenal currently consists of a Gen3 G17, Gen4 G17, Gen3 G17L, Gen3 G19, and a Gen4 G26. Over the last couple of years I have gotten rid of a Gen2 G22, Gen3 G22, Gen2 G23, and Gen3 G27 since I have lost interest in the .40 S&W. Still have another Gen2 G23 if anyone is interested.

    Main difference between Gen2 and Gen3 G17 is finger grooves. The grooves fit my hand perfectly. Differences between the Gen3 and Gen4 are a slightly smaller grip, different recoil spring, and different extractor and ejector. The Gen4's come with clip-on grip adapters (which I find rather cheesy). The Gen4 frame with no grip adapter feels almost as good as a 1911 to me.

    There were documented problems with some of the early Gen4 G17's, and Glock will replace the spring, extractor, and ejector (I believe you have to be a Glock armorer to get the ejector) with the latest versions. All that being said, in my department of about 400 road officers, there are probably 50 or 60 carrying Gen4 G17's and none have ever had any type of problem.

    I use my Glocks to shoot 4 different classes in the GSSF (Glock Sport Shooting Foundation), which is a practical pistol competition totally sponsored by Glock and limited to Glocks. All I shoot is lead reloads (usually Dardas 147g, I've found the heavier bullet to be more impressive on the steel plates) with the stock barrels. Never had any problems with leading in any of them. The Gen3's have over 20,000 rounds each through them, the Gen4's are just over 2,000.
     
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  22. g_one

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    Exactly. I have slightly-larger-than-normal hands and I find the 26 without any straps added to be perfect
     
  23. blarby

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    Thanks for all of the input guys- keep it comin !
     
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    I have a Gen 4 26 and 34. I really liked the way the Gen 4's have the better texture, over sized mag release and back straps. With out the backstraps on the grip is smaller than a gen 3. The med backstrap returns in to the same size as a Gen 3. The larger backstrap is larger than the Gen 3. I would say that if you have slightly oversized hands and you shoot a Gen 4 without a backstrap installed you have too much finger in the trigger. I shoot both my Glocks with the largest backstrap on. I find it to be just perfect.

    I shoot my G34 in competition and the G26 is my carry gun. I shoot the 26 at 200 yards off hand for fun whenever I'm at the range. The great thing about the Glocks is that from the smallest to the largest, in the same caliber, they all feel the same. The sub compacts shoot like the larger versions.

    I wouldn't be afraid of the Gen 4's. I've put 1000's of rounds through them with no issues. Early on they had extractor and ejector issues, but that has been taken care of. Any new guns you get will have the new parts. If you buy a used one, check the part numbers and call Glock. They will tell you if there is a updated part available. If you have a Glock armorer close by they can swap out the new parts, otherwise send it in to Glock and they will change them out for free.

    You can't beat Glock's CS. Glocks # 1(770)432-1202
     
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    G34 - longer slide and barrel, comes with 4lb (- connector)
    G17l - still longer, limited production, too long for some completions that limit length to 34 size
    G18 - fully auto g17, LEO only (note opening in latest James Bond movie)

    G19 is most common, good for both between CCW and range use
    G26 is really good for CCW
    G17 is really good range gun
    G34 for competition shooting
     
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