9mm in 158 gr? I Just heard of this . . . does anyone have any info on it.

[Aqeous]

I had thought for the longest time that 147 gr was as high as the 9mm went. Guess not. I hear the 158 gr is big over seas.

I would like to here opinions and facts about the 158 gr 9mm. Whats it used for, whats it capable of, ballistics, penetration, the whole deal.

 

[BlindJustice]

WHo is the manufacturer of these bullets?

9mm bullets are .355 if somebody is using .357 158 grainers
they would be very high pressure.

 

[Disaster]

158 was the standard .38 special load for years....till +P stuff came out. Never heard of it used in the 9mm...but the bullets should be readily available.

 

[pbearperry]

Years ago I loaded 158 gr swc 38 bullets into 9mm at 900 fps.They shot great and no signs of pressure at all.Very accurate out of my Browning HP.

 

[Aqeous]

I thought it was a .38 Special load myself at first. Until I read about it being used in suppressed Uzi's.

 

[jonnyc]

Israel, and a few other countries, have produced 158gr. loads for silenced weapons, but not for standard issue pistols.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Fiocchi makes this load. (Stock #9APE.) I am not sure what advantage it would confer, but there it is.

 

[novaDAK]

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I myself didn't even know this stuff existed until I saw it at the last gunshow...caught my eye since the heaviest 9mm I ever see is 147 (which is what I use when carrying JHPs (winchester).

 

[Moonclip]

I've only seen it very rarely advertized and it was done so with the impression it was for use in supressed guns.

 

[trickyasafox]

I have an article on it kicking around here. Was printed in a gun magazine years ago- and a fellow reloader was kind enough to give me a copy recently.

*shuffles papers to find article*

The article was written by Mike Thomas and was published in Handloader magazine in 1995- February edition 173,

short version is- you can load up bullets designed for the 357/38spl in 9mm cases and have them work fine in a 9mm handgun. Mike tested the loads in a Walther P4, beretta 92F, and a sig 226.

posted data up to 157gr Lyman 356637 Flatnose

he didn't get great accuracy- but it was a good test anyway as most 9mm barrels on many production handguns run larger than .355. in the author's case, they measured from .357-.359 so he ran bullets sized up to .360

Guy got the loads up to 1040 FPS with 150+gr bullets and went up to 1.17 in OAL with 1.13 being the shortest.

most loads seemed to hover right around 900 fps. the guy got frequent stoppages with some profiles (shot SWCs, RNs, RNFPs)

Some day I keep telling myself I'm going to see if I can get 158gr LSWC to run in a 9mm, but I never really sit down and do it. more to see if it can be done than anything.

I'd post the load data- but I'm not sure if its in any books or if he cooked it up. best groups he got were a bit under 3 inches at 25 yards from rest.

 

[FEG]

In its earliest editions, the Hornady Reloading manuals gave 9mm Parabellum loads using 158 gr LRN and LSWC-HP. I assume they intended the reloader to resize the bullets to .355, but it shouldn't be critical with a swaged lead bullet.

 

[strangelittleman]

Yep, IMI produced the 158gr FMJ subsonic in the 80's, it was intended for use in suppressed SMGs. If I remember correctly they painted the tip dark blue or black but I may be mistaken. Fiochi, Norma, FN, Geco, Lapua also made similar rounds in the 80's, if I remember correctly.

 

[Moonclip]

I think the tip was blue. Black on IMI/Samson means carbine ammo.