glc24
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I did some searching, and it looks like I would be ok with 4.5 - 4.8 grains of HP 38 at 1.125" OAL with a 115 grain plated RN. This would be for a 92FS.
9mm load data?
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I only have the one Canik. I'm using the Vortex red dot that came with it.
I've never shot polymer framed pistols worth a damn. I had sold all of them except for a Springfield XD-45. I can take that XD to the range and my groups look like patterns. Same ammo, same distance with any of my stock 1911 pistols and I'm shooting groups like this.
That's seven shots, 10 yards, 10 seconds.
I was shooting club matches with my 1911 pistols and doing fairly well but reloads were killing my times. Our stages run 16-20 rounds.
I decided I really needed a double stack 9 to shoot matches. I have had a Glock 19, Glock 17, Springfield XD 9, and a Springfield XD 9 Tactical. Couldn't shoot any of them worth a damn. Doing some research it seemed that the people that had the Canik TP9SFx were VERY happy with their pistols.
I headed to the gun store and put my hands on one. The factory trigger was good. Much better than a Glock or Springfield, better than most of the upgraded Glock and S&W triggers I've shot. So I bought it. I've only got around 1200 rounds through it so far. It's been pretty wet here in N. Texas lately and I haven't been able to get to the range as much as I like.
The first trip out with the Canick, with the iron sights I could tell that I was going to like it. I went back to the bench and put the red dot on. Now I know I'm going to like it. My eyes aren't what they were when I was young. The red dot made a huge difference.
I can easily duplicate that 1911 target on a bad day. A good day I can put 10 rounds into a $.50 piece at 10 yards in fairly rapid fire. As long as I do my part all my hits during matches on those IPDA targets are touching.
I haven't done ANYTHING to the Canik. I might get the Freedomsmith FAT trigger to remove the take up. However I don't notice the take up during matches. I might change out some springs one of these days to get a better trigger pull. The trigger on the TP9SFx is as good as many 1911 triggers out of the box, outside of the take up.
The best thing however is I can now shoot full stages without reloading. My scores have gone from around 250 to around 190. I know that sucks, but I'm crippled and can't run and gun like most guys. I hobble through the stages and then ask for my cane back. The time isn't coming from misses. Last match was 102 rounds and I was only down 11 due to hits outside the 0 zone.
thomas15
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So then after untangling the above message it is obvious that "it" is the Canik! Once you get "it", life becomes much more bearable, I think.
Just one small thing, which is not related to "it" but when I spoke of making a power factor I wasn't actually making the point that achieving a power factor such as the one required for USPSA minor is going to result in something that is soft shooting but not the ultimate in soft shooting. What I mean by that is while it is possible that you don't need to achieve a power factor such as 125,000 or what ever but even if your shooting in a friendly local hootenanny and that event features some falling steel poppers then you would of course want something to at least comes close to making power factor.
Just one small thing, which is not related to "it" but when I spoke of making a power factor I wasn't actually making the point that achieving a power factor such as the one required for USPSA minor is going to result in something that is soft shooting but not the ultimate in soft shooting. What I mean by that is while it is possible that you don't need to achieve a power factor such as 125,000 or what ever but even if your shooting in a friendly local hootenanny and that event features some falling steel poppers then you would of course want something to at least comes close to making power factor.
Charlie98
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My brain is leaking out of my ears at this point. If you can't find a shootable 9mm load within 5 powders picked within an appropriate burn rate, you are doing something wrong. I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek, I understand some folks like the thrill of the chase and the more the merrier. That's not me.
Jim Watson
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Me, either. I read of people finding all sorts of differences by the brand of powder when bullet, velocity, and gun are the same. I am not accurate enough to tell without a Ransom Rest, I am not sensitive enough to feel the recoil, and I have only run across one powder that fouled heavily enough to matter. I did hit on one with annoying flash and blast, though.
I have gotten over curiosity on the matter and have a good supply of my usual stuff, so more exploratory loading is not on the agenda.
And if you are putting all shots touching on an IDPA target, you are shooting too slowly.
I have gotten over curiosity on the matter and have a good supply of my usual stuff, so more exploratory loading is not on the agenda.
And if you are putting all shots touching on an IDPA target, you are shooting too slowly.
I'm retired and broken. I need something to fill the empty time. Also it is amazing to see the differences.
Toprudder
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I resemble that remark! I don't know how many 1 lb bottles of pistol powder I have in my inventory right now (maybe 30+). I like to experiment.
I am in the process now of using up some powders that I will not restock, but I have data and knowledge of what will work in a pinch, if things get hard to find again.
Charlie98
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No, I get it... I'm just having a little fun. I will say, at my level of testing ability, cartridges like 9mm and .45ACP don't really show that much accuracy disparity between powders (within a similar burn range) but it's interesting to see how some powders behave... like TiteGroup being a 'hot' powder, and the differences in flash, which I'm now discovering with my 4" .45's. Now, you switch to rifle cartridges... then all bets are off.
I have definitely tried a lot of different pistol powders, always fun to see what something else will do. Some folks try something and if it works/well/great they stick with it and are happy. that's 100% OK as well.
lordpaxman
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Sorry to hear that. I'm retired and breaking, hopefully slowly.
I've also tried many powder/bullet combinations for 9mm. Everyone's given a lot of great advice already, I'll just add that neck tension and crimp if you choose to, can also affect the resulting load. Especially with lead bullets as they can get resized very easily with too much crimp. My Pointman runs an 11# spring, and there were a few starting loads that failed to cycle. However, after reviewing the chrono data, the starting load data wasn't making anywhere near the specified minimum velocity.
You didn't mention if you chronograph your work, but, I've found starting load data rarely results in the minimum velocity specified - that's for my guns and may not be true for anyone else.
kmw1954
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In the same chair my friend only you are a few years younger than me. I'm down to 3 pistol powders right now and intend to investigate one more, Ramshot Competition but for now I've pretty much settled on HP-38, Ramshot Silhouette and Accurate #2.
You and I have had some discussions between cast lead and plated bullets and would just like to clear the air. I have nothing against cast lead and use to shoot Speer and Hornady lead exclusively when I had a revolver and if I get another revolver I most likely will shoot it again.. I considered casting when I started back until I really started looking into it and found that sourcing lead isn't as easy as it used to be. Locally for me wheel weights are getting harder to find. Illinois has outlawed them as has Minnesota. Also none of the recyclers here in Wisconsin or Illinois will even talk to the person on the street unless they have a hazmat license. That's just to start. Then when I go over to Cast Boolits.com and read the stories of difficulties people have with the 9mm because of barrel size inconsistencies it is enough to keep me away. At least for the 9mm.
You may disagree but I find that plated bullets work very well in auto-loading pistols without having to slug size a barrel like is done with cast. Also having to purchase either commercial cast lead or plated I find very little price difference. Especially if I buy bullets when on sale. So my view is that as time passes we will see more people migrating to plated bullets and fewer casting their own because of the restrictions being placed on raw lead as a Hazardous material.
I can still get lead. A buddy and I are working on getting 2-3,000 lbs of linotype.
The scrap yard close to me has about 1500 lbs of lead scrap right now.
If you have a source of scrap lead, some Rotometals Superhard, and some pewter you're set.
I cast up 30 lbs of 9mm bullets today. My cost per pound was $0.50. Just over a penny per bullet. Add another tenth of a cent for Hi-Tek.
You should like Ramshot Competition. I had tested it in the past and when I saw that bullets.com was closing it out I pounced.
Some of the Vectan offerings are decent powders too.
IMHO the next shortage is right around the corner. Stock up now while you can.
The scrap yard close to me has about 1500 lbs of lead scrap right now.
If you have a source of scrap lead, some Rotometals Superhard, and some pewter you're set.
I cast up 30 lbs of 9mm bullets today. My cost per pound was $0.50. Just over a penny per bullet. Add another tenth of a cent for Hi-Tek.
You should like Ramshot Competition. I had tested it in the past and when I saw that bullets.com was closing it out I pounced.
Some of the Vectan offerings are decent powders too.
IMHO the next shortage is right around the corner. Stock up now while you can.
Riccochet
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That's why I also fish. I can keep enough SHTF stuff at home and still go out and pound on some bass without worrying about finding my next supply of jigs.
Blue68f100
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That's why I also fish. I can keep enough SHTF stuff at home and still go out and pound on some bass without worrying about finding my next supply of jigs.
I thought that too till my supplier upped and died on me. He used a custom molded gig heads that are not mfg like any one else. My fishing partner started testing different jigs all last year and none of them preformed as the ones he made. NO longer available. His wife and daughter was making them the last few years of his life and the quality was not the same. Once he died, (the word I got from his daughter) was his wife locked the door to his building room and has not been in since, over a year ago. And has not allowed his son in either. I ended up making/machining a custom mold very similar to his and wrapping my own. Now I'm not tied to a single supplier.
thomas15
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For Christmas I asked for and received a new chronograph. I have one of the low end devices, it works but using it under anything but the best of conditions is generally a time of frustration. But I digress.
So I opted for the CED M2 with optional HD tripod, carry case, IR sky screens and rechargeable battery pack. Why this model? Because it does everything the other chronographs do and CED is a major supporter of shooting sports here in the North East so I try to buy from them as much as possible. I continue to digress.
Anyway, finally, to my point. I have good 9mm loads for both auto loaders and revolvers, loads that meet power factors and loads that don't meet power factors. Loads that use a variety of bullets and powders. My plan is to use my new chronograph to get a handle on the speeds of my ammo in it's various configurations and try to duplicate those loads using alternate powders. Not because I have to but because I want to. Tinker with them so to speak. So I totally and completely understand the quest to fine tune and experiment with different loads. I will leave my thoughts and comments right there as to the motivation of some of the commends offered for consideration.
So I opted for the CED M2 with optional HD tripod, carry case, IR sky screens and rechargeable battery pack. Why this model? Because it does everything the other chronographs do and CED is a major supporter of shooting sports here in the North East so I try to buy from them as much as possible. I continue to digress.
Anyway, finally, to my point. I have good 9mm loads for both auto loaders and revolvers, loads that meet power factors and loads that don't meet power factors. Loads that use a variety of bullets and powders. My plan is to use my new chronograph to get a handle on the speeds of my ammo in it's various configurations and try to duplicate those loads using alternate powders. Not because I have to but because I want to. Tinker with them so to speak. So I totally and completely understand the quest to fine tune and experiment with different loads. I will leave my thoughts and comments right there as to the motivation of some of the commends offered for consideration.
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thomas15
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I have found that one of the easiest ways to start load development and refinement is to ask other shooters, those I shoot with in competitions, what their loads are. Then I check to see if those loads are within the bounds of sanity and if they are, I use that as a starting point. It really comes down to having a specific use in mind before you start development and work to achieve the goals rather than just put together something that at first works but then try to force it into a tight corner to meet your specific needs.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
FROGO207
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Yeah I have several 9"s and they can be picky eaters. Especially with light bullets so I stick to 124 or heavier lead bullets for best results. Some starting loads will not cycle in some of mine but I have found loads that are soft shooting and accurate with each. I even developed a load that will work OK in them all but is not particularly accurate in every one. That load is my plinking ammo.
thomas15
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For me at least, fishing tackle is like shooting tackle. I simply enjoy collecting tackle. There was a time, actually for most of my life especially when my kids were in school, where simply buying a fishing license was a capital expense.
These days I have so many artificial lures and plastics and more than a few rods/reels that it hurts my head….sometimes. My fishing wessel is modest semi-nice, not something that turns heads by any means but big enough and fast enough to make the day quite enjoyable. LMB fishing in NE PA is at times a trial but like the shooting sports is a good clean past time and to be better than average requires some study and practical hands on experience. So I agree with Riccochet, the two activities share common ground.
I love to fish. I've got close to 100 lure, jig, and sinker molds. Close to 60 rods, about four dozen reels. One of the reasons I left the PNW for Texas is there are more fishing opportunities here. I've got a nice boat, tons of lures. Matter of fact I sold over 1500 unneeded crankbaits this last summer.
I had to quit casting fishing lures as I have far too many, however I can easily cast bullets and use them.
I had to quit casting fishing lures as I have far too many, however I can easily cast bullets and use them.
Riccochet
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Fishing up there was always a struggle for me. Nockamixon, Wallenapaupack, Hopatcong. I never did good lmb or smb fishing up there.
Riccochet
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Falcon and Fork are on my bucket list.
thomas15
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Yes.
We moved from NJ to PA in 2004 mainly because of the gun laws in NJ and I was able to keep my employment. My better half and I are approaching the day of the big R and not sure if we will stay in PA or not. If we do decide to go the new location will have both, good gun laws and fantastic LMB fishing. That and low property taxes.
thomas15
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I don't fish the NOX because there is a 20 HP limit on that lake. We do go to Wallenapaupack from time to time these days it's not bad there during the week but a bit of a hike from here. I live literally 500 yards from the Pine Run boat launch at Beltzville. It took me about 2 years exhaustive trial and error to figure that water out using artificial bait and it's a challenge no doubt about it. But that lake is packed with lunker LMB and SMB. Very hard to fish as the lake is deep deep deep and filled with alewives plus on the weekends it's a zoo. They drained Minsi two years ago year to fix the dam and they put all of the fish into Beltzville. Once you figure it out it's great. They have tournaments there all summer long. But still I covet a southern LMB fishery.
I grew up on the Jersey Shore (Belmar) and live there 46 years (20 in Little Egg Harbor) and fishing was what we did. Oddly I prefer fresh water over salt.
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Riccochet
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I grew up in Cherry Hill, moved to Philly when I turned 18, then up to Perkasie at 24 where I met my wife. Housing costs and property taxes in upper Bucks county drove us to North Carolina. Now I'm surrounded by awesome fisheries. The local tournament scene down here is pretty dang good. Plus nothing freezes over, never winterize the boat, fish all year round.
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