Looking for some ideas for loading 9mm for use from a 16 inch barrel. Chrono' d a few production loads with the Subby and a subcompact Glock, the 147 grain Speer Lawman was actually slower out of the Sub than the pistol. What I am looking for is something that will push a heavy bullet and take advantage of the barrel length.
9mm loads for Sub2000
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Interesting. I have had a couple of 9MM loads with 115 or 124 Gr bullets which gained very little velocity from a 5" pistol barrel to a 16" barrel, but none that were slower. I have never shot any 147s in 9MM though.
My guess is they are using a fast powder.
If you don't reload, you'll just have to try different things, but hopefully some folks have tried other factory loads and have some numbers for you.
My guess is they are using a fast powder.
If you don't reload, you'll just have to try different things, but hopefully some folks have tried other factory loads and have some numbers for you.
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Use the slowest powder that will fit in the case with a 147 grain bullet.
That will most likely be something like Longshot, or Blue Dot, or AA #7, or something like that.
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That will most likely be something like Longshot, or Blue Dot, or AA #7, or something like that.
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Ya I agree with rc. I seriously doubt you'll find anything like that off the shelf. That's certainly going to have to be something that you load for, and finding the right powder is gonna be kinda tricky because there just isn't much room to work with..I've found a lot of data with 147s and blue dot which is pretty slow for that cartridge, but I've even found some other data with Vihtavuori n105 which is a little slower than blue dot. I would try some AA #9, or if your an experienced reloader....and when I say that I don't classify someone that's reloaded 20k or so 38 specials to be an experienced reloader. I've been looking at getting the sub 2000 in the 9mm, and I'm a fan of the 147 gr for accuracy, so at that point I'll be doing the samething your doing, except I'll probably start with 2400...but I'm not recommending you do so...what your looking for can be accomplished, but its gonna take some trial an error with diff powders. Let me know what you deside and what you figure out, I'm curious now.
Actually....just standing outside smoking a cig I was thinking about that somemore and.....before you put to much effort in the advice I just gave let me remind you that that particular weapon isn't a very strong one....exactly what was the velocity you were pushing with the ammo you had? Depending on that number would be weather I change my advice...
I shoot 124 grain jacketed and plated and both fmj's and hp's in my Sub2000. I shoot the same loads in my pistols and the Kel-Tec. I get from 200-240 fps more in the 16" barrel than a 4.01" Glock 19. I load with Unique powder in the 5.0-5.2 grain range. It seems that to get velocity gains you need to shoot lighter bullets in the 16" Kel-Tec Some real world velocities with different barrel lengths here:
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
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Ya. and that's a fairly hot charge with that powder. I still say either way AA #9 will be perfectly safe to try, but I'm still curious as to what volocitys he was getting with the ammo he had..I mean depending on how high that number is, is gonna determain weather or not its even worth trying.
I have loaded some 115 and 124 gr that cycled my Glock 26 but did not cycle the action on my Keltec Sub 2000 in 9mm. I found this with AA #5. I've switched to Universal Clays to standardize on powders for pistol calibers and load on the higher end of the range with Universal Clays. They are a little warm with the Glock 26 but cycle the Sub 2000 just fine.
Thanks for the info guys. I'm so new to the reloading game that I'm expecting my equipment today. 
Ok, first the Glock in question is a model 33. For those of you who speak Glock you'll be thinking "wait, that's a 357 sig" and you'd be right. but right now it has a 9mm Wolf barrel and springs in it. The pistolin it's Blackhawk holster and the sub with a Red Lion Precision indexing foreend and a reflex sight fit nicely together in a laptop case with plent of mags that fit both.
Ok, here's what I recorded. using Federl 115 grains I averaged 1075 out of the pistol and 1189 from the sub. With 124 grain Dymamit Nobel I got 770 from the pistol and 1028 from the sub. The 147 grain Speer Lawman was 1280 from the pistol and 1131 from the sub.
A machinist friend of mine is big into reloading and I'll likely get some advice from him as well, maybe ever some powders to try. He does his own casting to and recommends it. I own an auto repair shop so have access to plenty of wheel weights.When ordered my Lee Anniversary set last week I also ordered 500 122 grain cast flat nose bullets to start with. ideally I'd like to work up a heavy round that will work for both the sub and the pistol with good speed and energy from the sub without a ton of muzzle flash from the pistol.
Ok, first the Glock in question is a model 33. For those of you who speak Glock you'll be thinking "wait, that's a 357 sig" and you'd be right. but right now it has a 9mm Wolf barrel and springs in it. The pistolin it's Blackhawk holster and the sub with a Red Lion Precision indexing foreend and a reflex sight fit nicely together in a laptop case with plent of mags that fit both.
Ok, here's what I recorded. using Federl 115 grains I averaged 1075 out of the pistol and 1189 from the sub. With 124 grain Dymamit Nobel I got 770 from the pistol and 1028 from the sub. The 147 grain Speer Lawman was 1280 from the pistol and 1131 from the sub.
A machinist friend of mine is big into reloading and I'll likely get some advice from him as well, maybe ever some powders to try. He does his own casting to and recommends it. I own an auto repair shop so have access to plenty of wheel weights.When ordered my Lee Anniversary set last week I also ordered 500 122 grain cast flat nose bullets to start with. ideally I'd like to work up a heavy round that will work for both the sub and the pistol with good speed and energy from the sub without a ton of muzzle flash from the pistol.
DanTheFarmer
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Check out www.ballisticsbytheinch.com. They test a bunch of different cartridges in a bunch of different barrel lengths. The site may answer your questions directly and will certainly provide a background/supplemental information.
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Ok well first off, 1280 from a pistol pushing 147's...That's doin pretty good. I would have to say that's pretty impressive for off the shelf ammo. I'm gonna do a little research and get back to you later today with what I've figured out, and what I think you'll be able to improve on. However I want you to know that what I find for you to load for your carbine isn't gonna do your pistol any justice. The powders gonna be way to slow. So if you want something for both to perform well, I would say the speer lawman is your ticket, because that's pretty impressive. Food for thought.
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I had very good results with 9mm in a 16" carbine using Power Pistol.
MarshallDodge
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Ramshot Silhouette is a powder I would try.
Check out the thread on the KelTec owners group (you will need to sort through it a bit but there is some good data): http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/reloads-chronographs-sub2k-231246/
I myself have found the best gains with blue dot and 124gr bullets at max loads. Heavier bullets seem to "open the bolt" faster causing less pressure to be focused forward.
Powders faster than Blue Dot (VV3N37) didn't seem to yield as high of a velocity increase and slower powders (VV N105 and AA#9) yielded slower velocities than Blue Dot.
With Blue Dot you can easily achieve about 1525 fps w/124grn fmj, 1600 fps w/115grn fmj, 1200 fps w/ 147 grn fmj, and 1125 fps w/ 158 grn (plated .357 rn). Add magnum primers or load at max (and maximum cartridge length for you particular gun) and you can achieve higher velocities.
Be careful though. The super hot stuff beats up the little subbie.
I myself have found the best gains with blue dot and 124gr bullets at max loads. Heavier bullets seem to "open the bolt" faster causing less pressure to be focused forward.
Powders faster than Blue Dot (VV3N37) didn't seem to yield as high of a velocity increase and slower powders (VV N105 and AA#9) yielded slower velocities than Blue Dot.
With Blue Dot you can easily achieve about 1525 fps w/124grn fmj, 1600 fps w/115grn fmj, 1200 fps w/ 147 grn fmj, and 1125 fps w/ 158 grn (plated .357 rn). Add magnum primers or load at max (and maximum cartridge length for you particular gun) and you can achieve higher velocities.
Be careful though. The super hot stuff beats up the little subbie.
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