Stinkyshoe
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First off, this is not a caliber war.
Doubletap offers some really hot 9mm. Here are the specs. on one load...
"DoubleTap has now developed 9mm loads! These loads are low flash and really move. All three loadings are +p rated and deliver quite a punch! The 9 is just fine! Now available!
Caliber : 9mm
Bullet : Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics : 115gr @ 1415fps / 511ft. lbs. from a G17."
There is not a whole lot of difference between this load, and that of the 357 sig ammo they make.
My question is with loads like this available for 9mm, why does the 9 get such a bad reputation? Is it because there aren't statistcs that support these hot loads(meaning DBtap or comparible) as a proven fight stopper? The 357 sig seems to have about 70 more ft-lbs energy that the 9mm(dbtap that is) and the 357 sig is a well proven round.
I know people who criticize the 9mm heavily(the typical chairborne commando ) because of it's weakness, but use UMC 45 ball as their primary defense round(which isn't exactly very hot). I realize that a 9mm might expand, but a 45 won't shrink. But I am just confused by this type of double speech. A handgun is a poor weapon as best, so for ammo we'd actually use when our life is being threatened, it'd make sense to get the hottest, most powerful stuff available(that functions 100%). So I guess my question is does a 9mm that puts out over 500 ft-lbs have any disadvantage when compared to a 45 that puts out 500 ft-lbs?(The basis of this question is the fact that the SS carrying 357 sig, and the dbtapp 9mm is putting out almost the same level of energy with the same diameter bullet. They obviously felt that there was an advantage of the 357 sig over the 45, maybe for a tactical reasons) I guess maybe what I am saying is, if a hot 9mm won't take carry of it, you need a rifle.
Doubletap offers some really hot 9mm. Here are the specs. on one load...
"DoubleTap has now developed 9mm loads! These loads are low flash and really move. All three loadings are +p rated and deliver quite a punch! The 9 is just fine! Now available!
Caliber : 9mm
Bullet : Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics : 115gr @ 1415fps / 511ft. lbs. from a G17."
There is not a whole lot of difference between this load, and that of the 357 sig ammo they make.
My question is with loads like this available for 9mm, why does the 9 get such a bad reputation? Is it because there aren't statistcs that support these hot loads(meaning DBtap or comparible) as a proven fight stopper? The 357 sig seems to have about 70 more ft-lbs energy that the 9mm(dbtap that is) and the 357 sig is a well proven round.
I know people who criticize the 9mm heavily(the typical chairborne commando ) because of it's weakness, but use UMC 45 ball as their primary defense round(which isn't exactly very hot). I realize that a 9mm might expand, but a 45 won't shrink. But I am just confused by this type of double speech. A handgun is a poor weapon as best, so for ammo we'd actually use when our life is being threatened, it'd make sense to get the hottest, most powerful stuff available(that functions 100%). So I guess my question is does a 9mm that puts out over 500 ft-lbs have any disadvantage when compared to a 45 that puts out 500 ft-lbs?(The basis of this question is the fact that the SS carrying 357 sig, and the dbtapp 9mm is putting out almost the same level of energy with the same diameter bullet. They obviously felt that there was an advantage of the 357 sig over the 45, maybe for a tactical reasons) I guess maybe what I am saying is, if a hot 9mm won't take carry of it, you need a rifle.