9th Circuit Overturned Again....9-0 Court Gives Police Victory in Waiting Time

[spartacus2002]

You confuse 3 concepts: drug use, drug abuse, and drug trade violence.

Not all drug use is drug abuse.

The vast majority of drug trade violence would end if the stuff were legalized, because legitimate companies with access to police protection and court enforcement of property rights and contractual obligations would sell the stuff.

Ever wonder why, since the end of Prohibition, you never see turf battles between Miller Brewing Co. and Anheuser-Busch?

Ever wonder why tobacco-selling stores don't want to sell to minors? Because they will lose their license. Where are the restrictions for drug dealers today?

 

[TallPine]

I keep pointing out that I believe that drug abuse is not a victimless crime

That's fine, believe whatever you want - just don't try to cram your beliefs down everyone else's throats, using the laws of society as a battering ram.

 

[Art Eatman]

I'm as bad as anybody at THR about thread drift. But either let's go back to the original topic, or start a new thread about how the WOD is not done right, or is a war on civil rights, or is a war on gun ownership--or let's let me close this sucker.

, Art

 

[TallPine]

The WOD is a war on civil rights as evidenced in part by the SC decision to allow police to bust down a door 15-20 seconds after knocking.

That's my thesis, and I'm sticking to it.


However, there are a few that think that is just fine and dandy, so I'm not sure there is any point to continue ....

Use your best judgement, Art

 

[El Rojo]

That's fine, believe whatever you want - just don't try to cram your beliefs down everyone else's throats, using the laws of society as a battering ram.

I never understood this argument. The entire point of legislation is attempting to get what you feel is correct to be the policy. Using the above argument, an anti-gun person could say the same thing. "Believe what you want, but don't try and force it upon everyone else by having free access to machine guns and endangering the lives of everyone else." Yeah that sounds rediculous right? You can't just say believe what you want, but do nothing about it. If I believe that drug abuse is wrong and that I should not sit back and watch others die, what kind of character would I have if I do exactly what you ask? What kind of character would you have if you sat back and watched me erode your civil rights? Yes, the original idea behind our way of government was to sit back and let people pretty much have their say on what they think is right and wrong. Now that we have the welfare state and instant communication, we can't really do that anymore. Now it is a battle in Congress. One side against the other. Each side convinced that they are correct and that they know the best way things should run. I am not cramming my beliefs down anyone's throats. You have a choice to listen and decide. If you don't feel the same way I do, then vote against me. Organize people and have them vote against me. If I believe drugs are wrong and I don't want to see them legitimized in society, I don't have the option of "just letting it be". My fundamental belief is that I don't want them to be legal. And your argument is, "Go ahead and believe that drugs are wrong and should be illegal, but make them legal." It makes no sense.

Back to topic. The Bill of Rights protects against unreasonable search and seizure. After receiving a proper warrant from a judge (checks and balances) if an agency has reasonable cause that there is illegal activity going on in the house at the time of the warrant being served, they can legally expidite entry into the house in order to collect evidence. Any damage to the door of the house should be paid for out of the department's drug seizure budget regardless of what is found in the house because you are innocent until proven guilty. If judges or law enforcement agencies do not go through the proper procedure for obtaining a warrant in the first place, those people should be disciplined for abuse of power and hopefully fired. Just because a few gun dealers make bad sales, doesn't mean you should punish the rest. Punish those who break the law and give the rest of the honorable professionals the credit they deserve.

 

[TallPine]

The entire point of legislation is attempting to get what you feel is correct to be the policy.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

 

[Orthonym]

Democracy is voting to kill Socrates because he told the silly boneheads exactly what he thought about them.

 

[Justin Moore]

The drug war is nothing more than a nationwide government jobs program.

The drug warriors are indeed 'addicted' to the WoSD. Can anyone say civil asset forfiture?

Does anyone know: are there anymore of those old Titan III missle silo's still up for sale? I've read that people have turned them into rather nice domiciles. I'd like to see somebody in their nice shiny black uniform try to kick THAT door in.

Between this, and the Campaign Finance Incumbent Protection Alien Sedition act decision, I just don't know what to think anymore.