9x18mm JHP, .357 158 gr Gold Dot, 10mm 155 gr C.O.P. gelatin test

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9x18mm Silver Bear 115 gr JHP fired from Arsenal Makarov* into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 602.8fps, 3.0"

4 layers of denim

Impact velocity: 1,040 fps
Penetration: 29.7"
Retained weight: 116.0 gr
No expansion



Bare gelatin

Impact velocity: 1,043 fps
Penetration: 8.9"
Retained weight: 117.0 gr
Max expansion: 0.659"
Min expansion: 0.477"



*please note, this ammunition DOES NOT feed correctly in my Makarov.






.357 mag Double Tap 158 gr Gold Dot fired from 4" S&W Model 13 through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 602.8 fps, 3.0"

Impact velocity: 1,304 fps
Penetration: 23.8"
Retained weight: 158.1 gr
Max expansion: 0.534"
Min expansion: 0.449"





10mm C.O.P. 155 gr all copper hollow point fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 602.8 fps, 3.0"

Impact velocity: 1,008 fps
Penetration: 10.2"
Retained weight: 153.9 gr
Max expansion: 0.776"
Min expansion: 0.455"
 
Thanks for the tests. Frankly I was a little disappointed with the low velocity of the 10mm. Maybe COP kept it low to maximize penetration.
 
I would send McNett an email with your YouTube link. Results like this (1008 fps) are why so many folks distrust DoubleTap ammo. Those are even slow for a 155 gr 40 S&W rd.

And for what he charges? Total B.S., IMO.


From Mr. Mike McNett's own Double Tap website:

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : 155gr. Barnes TAC-XP

Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1400fps / 675ft/lbs- Glock 20
1281fps / 564ft lbs 50yds. Glock 20
Glock 29 - 1345fps
 
That wasn't a DT load. The 155 gr 10mm is an all copper bullet which has a longer bearing surface than a lead core bullet. I haven't measured the C.O.P. bullet as a component but a 155 gr TAC-XP is longer than a 200 gr XTP at 0.737" for the TAC-XP and 0.676" for the XTP.
 
OK, I am abbreviation challenged;)

What is the : BB: 602.8fps, 3.0" ??? Mean?

That 10mm ammo certainly had a picture perfect expansion.
 
Looks like the 10mm ammo was low-end down-loaded ammo. The ballistics of the better 10mm ammo is more on par with a .357 mag. The higher-end Buffalo Bore and Double Tap 10mm ammo would have been a much more appropriate comparison -- and should have been more on par with the .357 mag ammo.
 
This comparison test with this low-end 10mm ammo has almost no validity. The .40 S&W is a less potent version ( a slightly shorter version) of the 10mm. The original 10 mm was shortened and downloaded to create the .40 S&W. Most .40 S&W ammo has a much higher velocity than the 10mm ammo used in this gelatin test. I am not sure why someone would use 10mm ammo this lame in a comparison test, unless there was an intent to skew the test results. Any 10mm ammo from CorBon, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, or Grizzly would have been much more comparable.
 
wow6599, I'm sorry if that sounded snarky. I didn't mean it that way at all.


RKPulliam, This isn't intended to be a comparison. You're right that 10mm and .357 mag are very similar but 9x18mm is a completely different animal. These are just the loads I tested last week. Take a look at my channel, and you'll see a lot more tests, mostly 10mm. I collect the data and report it without bias. I generally offer no comments in the description of the video unless some clarification is necessary.

Most 155 gr .40 S&W is lead core and can be safely driven to much higher velocity than a 155 gr all copper bullet. While this bullet could probably be pushed faster in 10mm, you'd be hard pressed to get even this much out of .40 S&W because you'd be running out of case capacity. As I noted above, the 155 gr TAC-XP is a tenth of an inch longer than a 200 gr XTP. I haven't measured the C.O.P. but it is certainly comparable.

As for potency, I'm sure you probably just meant that 10mm is capable of higher velocity for a given projectile weight and that's true. 10mm has a greater case capacity and higher SAAMI spec pressure limit. Lot's of folks think that more energy or more velocity automatically means more effect on the target but that's not necessarily true, especially with handgun cartridges. According to Dr. Fackler and Dr. Roberts, typical handgun bullets (including .357 and 10mm) don't move fast enough for the temporary stretch cavity to be a significant wounding mechanism. That means that the only factors that substantively contribute to wounding are width of the permanent cavity (directly proportional to expanded projectile diameter) and penetration. That means that 10mm is generally not capable of producing significantly larger wounds on human targets.

Like .357, though, it really comes into its own for woods defense. You can have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. You can use a projectile that expands but still penetrates deeply enough to be useful for large animal defense (200 gr XTP at 1,200 fps) or you can carry a magazine of people defense ammo and a magazine of critter defense ammo. Of course, the cost is recoil but you can still purchase "FBI lite" style commercial ammo, which is every bit as effective on humans or load it yourself.

In my opinion, the real strength of 10mm is versatility.
 
chopinbloc, any chance you've tested some hot (very hot) 9x23 Win?

Maybe some 1500+fps 115gr, 1400+fps 125 gr or 1300+fps 147gr?
 
No, sir. I don't have anything to shoot it. I'll probably get a G20 some day and then I'll probably get a 9x25 Dillon barrel for it but for the time being I don't know what I can tell you. Sorry.
 
I'm surprised the Silver Bear 9x18 doesn't feed in your Makarov. I have shot it in a CZ82 and a P64 with no problem...and I used to have an East German Mak that fed it also.
I sure miss buying that ammo for $9/box of 50. It always shot well for me.
Currently, my Mak chambered pistols are loaded with Hornady Critical Defense FTX ammo...shoots well, but too expensive.
Have you tested that load?
 
Was it the 115 gr flavor? The length of the bullet seems to have been the source of the problem.

I haven't yet but a friend has some so I'll see if I can get it done soon.
 
Nice. I noticed that with my Bulgarian Arsenal Mak, it would feed the 115 gr if I put a little pressure on the bottom of the magazine. Works fine with standard ball with no help, though.
 
I'd probably squirt some silicone in the hollow point of that 9x18 if I was to use it for defensive purposes. After all, that's how the FTX was developed.

I'm very surprised to see a 115gr screaming out the barrel at that speed. Interesting.
 
That load has not been available for quite a while, to my knowledge. I know that there were warnings from some makarovniks that it was too hot...particularly in the alloy framed PA63 FEG's. It was certainly a handful in the Radom P64.
 
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