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A Call To ROCK !

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  1. sm

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    Okay Members .

    Here is the deal, from the thread "Window War" http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69010

    July 4 is fast approaching. A very Symbolic date in our Nation's History.

    I propose getting organized and by LEGAL Carrier Sending Rocks to Congress Critters with the Second Amendment as per the "Window War".

    We have the AWB, We have so many other RKBA agendi being discussed.

    Congress Critters may not read snail mail, email, or take note of phone calls - Being overrun by "Second Amendment" written on a Rock perhaps will get attention .

    The Media will notice If we play this right. WE have to take the offensive and explain the message.

    - fjolnirsson

    Again Symbolic.

    Rocks are available to anyone. The law abiding citizen does not abuse these - The Criminal does.

    Rocks are not banned or limited in size. Rocks cannot do anything without a user. Rocks can be paralleled to firearms - Rocks cannot do a damn thing without a user. The INTENT of user determines how the Rock is used.

    Congress Critters know in this Republic exist firearms. Our Forefathers took great pains to insure WE THE PEOPLE would not become from whence we came - Tyranny.


    The aforementioned thread is worth reading again. In this I suggested Bricks [ If I were rich tho'] , I mentioned other Folks that we should make recipeients of bricks/ rocks. We can still do these, use for grass roots causes...

    IMO - with the 4th of July , AWB, and the Election coming up the main target should be Congress .

    Legal, Civil , Polite and Courteous. NO threatening notes, no threatening implications. We don't want folks getting into trouble. WE don't want to give the MEDIA anything that can be twisted, skewed or used misrepresented.
     
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  2. GunnySkox

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    I thought that, perhaps, rather than hurling rocks through windows (I dunno what the suggestion that sparked this thread was, I never finished reading the Window War thread, just read the "Future Fiction" and loved it) "we", freedom-loving and law abiding folks we are, could take fairly large rocks, and either inscribe the pertinent sections of the Bill of Rights (1st, 2nd, 4th, 9th and 10th amendments) and either hurl them onto the lawns of our ***-****ed politicians, or stack them up in front of the doors, like the people "in the day" used to make altars. It sends a powerful message without being illegal (what's the worst they could charge you with? Illegal relocation of mineral matter? Littering, maybe... Perhaps trespassing, if you're caught) and without seeming like whackjobs. Plus, there are plenty of rocks to go 'round, especially big ones, on which you could inscribe the entire bill of rights, and underline pertinent sections, and just toss the thing onto their doorstep. Then, surround it with smaller rocks with messages attached or written on them...

    Apologize for the rambling post, I'm going a little stir-crazy, and weaving maille has become a tad too tedious.

    ~Slam_Fire
    "I just.. I just realized that nothing she ever said had any meaning whatsoever..." ~My friend Max, on why he dumped his gf.
     
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    READ the Window War

    We have to walk the walk.

    Labgrade did. So many others here at THR /TFL do.

    We can give up a fast food burger to do this. Or would we rather rattle our traps, piss, moan and bitch about the "Mart" asking for ID, or being out of Winchester White Box? Is my bling bling that was ordered gonna be on the Brown Truck?

    If enough laws are passed, we will all be criminals. We will not have to worry about White Box ammo. We might be hungry wondering if the guard is going to bring stale bread and water...

    Bars , chains and shackles don't "bling"...
     
  4. CrudeGT

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    SM, I like the idea, but I think mailing a rock to a congress-critter will be seen the same as mailing then a bullet. Remember, to the paranoid, EVERYTHING is against the law. and if the congressman sees it as a threat, we will all be in jail.

    piling them in front of the door is in a interesting idea.
     
  5. fjolnirsson

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    Hence the lack of return address. Anonymity is the key.
     
  6. CrudeGT

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    Interesting, why not just mail bullets then? We could get some .50BMGs, I'm sure there's enough room on that sucker to right the 2nd amend.

    Let's think through this mailing a rock to a politcal leaders door without a return address. It will be picked up by a bomb squad. Think that through, a large envelope or package, no return address, going to the home of a congress critter. Yeah right. It'l be dusted for prints and the owner will be deemed a terrorist, without even checking what is inside. I still like the idea of piling them in front of the front door better.
     
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    The point of the rocks/bricks were to emulate the Window War .

    Window War uses the rocks and brick bats to send the message That paranoid Congress Critters have no balls, bearings or marbles.

    "We The People...
    We are a Republic. Remember?

    Personally - I don't give a damn if a Congress Critter wets the bed because of parnoia. Congress Critter is all about Control. Spreads the paranoia to the masses..."gummit gonna take care of you".

    Save the bullets for such time they need to used as intended.

    Now I personally am sick and tired of PC and stepping on people's little pissant sensitivities. I don't want folks busted. I don't want folks giving THR, TFL, and some other forums a bad rap.

    Who does Photoshop? Do a friggin Rock with the Second Amendment. Make a printable version folks can download "anonymously" ...and send the damn thing out.

    Wear your latex gloves, use self stick stamps ( or a moisten a cloth...dammit to hell the CSI syndrome) and No return addy.

    Sometimes to capture someone's attention - Whisper

    Yeah well maybe so.

    I give it to them Loud and Dirty so it sticks - Patton

    I can't type how much easier it would be just to grab a marker and...

    I can type the fact one night I arrived to find a brickbat on the business floor. The Window sticker of the Alarm Company was the "spot aimed for".

    The rock said "testing". The deal was to "test" a business and response times. Then the BG's would throw a rock and hit the business across town. So while all the units were dispatched "over yonder...steal from "this one".

    Oldest trick in the book.

    I was the "this one" later...while answering the call elsewhere, the wrecker backed up through the front, attached the safe and left. We figured 3 min. tops to pull the job.

    I have some experience from being a recipeint of a rock with writing.

    I have quite a bit of experience sleeping in a business with firearms because I chose to heed the warning of the message. Parnoid...Why hell NO, I was armed. I was being watchful, prudent, and taking responsibility for that which I was was entrusted with.

    repeat- For which I was entrusted with. I "believe" the Congress Critters are "entrusted" with making sure the Constituiton is upheld.

    I tell you one thing, waiting with firearms to have the front glass replaced is no fun. Doing it again and standing in a spot where a safe once sat is a bunch worse. A whole bunch worse.

    Maybe I am wrong. My thinking was shaped perhaps by life lessons and experiences. Many of which one could say were "histories" shared by others.

    The elderly lady - a Jewish doctor , that remembers fleeing with her family by oxcart as a little girl to safety...see they were Russian Jews...

    The Vets telling stories of how the people with dirty grungy faces, starving, hiding in the countryside because the 'soldiers" had taken their town and daughters for their own use...crying with happiness upon being "FREE" again...

    The classmate from Croatia, here on a volleyball scholarship...worried sick about her family. The family had not been heard from in 3 wks. The woman folks hid , the men only had farm implements to protect themselves...

    Same girl that stood up in a history class and with conviction told her "American" classmates, that they do not appreciate or take their freedoms seriously. Gun Control is WRONG, the whole idea is the control of the people - not guns.

    I challenge anyone to visit a Veterns Hospital and look a Man or Woman that has served this country in the eye and tell them they are complacent.

    I dare you!
     
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    I think this would be excellent, also. For our friends without the price of mailing a real rock, they could send a paper one.

    As for the concern about no return address, good point. Fine. Send a package,,, and use a fake address. Just pick some numbers. C'mon, folks. We aren't asking for a kidney here. Are we Patriots? Or are we "couch patriots"? Read the second paragraph of my sig line, please.

    This isn't hard, and it would send a message. A clear message. We are sick of gun control, and we are mobilizing. C'mon. It's an hour (or less) out of your day to do this, and the cost can be as little as 50 cents. Use a fake address, and wear gloves. What's the excuse?

    Bah.
    We all come here, and we piss and moan about the loss of our freedoms. We whine and complain, and we cower in our homes, afraid the government will come for us.
    With every new bill introduced, we claim the line in the sand is closer, and we say what we'll do when it gets here.
    I don't propose to let it get here.
    Our forefathers believed in activism. It works for the left. We need to make it work for us. I'm tired of watching my freedom slip away through lack of action. I'm tired of being afraid for my daughters future.

    I often see people ask if we patriots are willing to give up our homes and our families for a cause.
    I ask, aren't we doing the same by doing nothing? It only takes longer.
    Many years from now, as you tell your grandchildren about the thrill of target shooting, will you bew wondering what could have been?
    Looking back, would you be willing to trade those many years of safety for just one year of freedom? Just one chance to tell the grabbers that it will not be this way?
    What does it take to motivate a man?
    We have proposed nothing illegal. Yet some will quibble, and some will say, what if?
    I say, what happens if we don't?
    The AWB is being reintroduced by Feinstien. Proof that the grabbers will not give up without a fight. Should we do less?
    Don't we owe it to our children to do all we can do to stave off the loss of our liberties?
    If we don't start acting soon, we will become the last generation of Americans who have known even a semblance of freedom.
    Men like Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin did not start out to be heroes. They saw oppression, and they fought it, rather than lie down.
    I say, it is better to be a dead lion, than a live sheep.
    And it is better to die standing, than to live on your knees.
    I don't advocate armed revolution, I think we can still change things.
    But we have to get off our A$$es, if we want to preserve our freedoms. Jimpeel couldn't even find people to hand out fliers at airports, because people whined that it wouldn't do anything, and they'd get put on a list.
    Bah.
    For the love of whatever God you believe in, do something! Do something!
    I certainly shall. To stand and do nothing would shame my ancestors, as well as myself.
    Is anybody listening? I want America back!

    [​IMG] :cuss:


    Rant over.
     
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    I have permisson to use the name Phil Carson myself for mailings...

    Go find your own alias folks...

    Thanks Mr. Bracken.

    :)
     
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    SM, check your PM.
     
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    Use the email addy.

    I may have to run to the ER...I can check my Web mail there if need...I hope I won't have to...:uhoh:
     
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    I see no problem with mailing a real rock, or especially a picture of a rock, to my elected officials. I would gladly sign my real name so that they know it came from a voting constituent.

    Where would the trouble be in mailing a picture of a rock to your congress critter?

    Please enlighten me.

    Love the idea, sm.

    Smoke
     
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    If this sounds like an idea you would support, feel free to PM me.

    Really, we must have somebody willing to contribute .50 and an hour of time. At least a couple more.
    Even if it makes zero impact, what have you given up? How much effort?
     
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    Okay, your speech won my vote. Check your PM's. Let me know how to help, and when to start.
     
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    Crude GT,
    Pm sent.

    Worst case scenario I see for this, only a couple hundred folks do it, and a few Congressmen have rocks to pave their gardens with.
    If we get a lot of people to do this, the worst case IU see is a few politicians get really nervous.
    Even those Politicos who are insulated enough not to be worried about window breaking will at least get the message that the gunnies are riled up. Perhaps it will change a stance or two. Perhaps it won't.

    But dammit! We'll have tried! It's a start.
     
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    Thanks for the email. The thread title didn't get my attention (and I've been busy as all get-out at work) so I'm arriving late.

    I love the idea. I absolutely positively love the idea.

    Rather than just write the 2A on it though perhaps something more imaginative is in order?

    "A well armed populace is the foundation of a Republic."

    "A well armed populace is the rock upon which freedom is built."

    Sorry, can't think of any others right now. I understand the reference to the Windows Wars story (don't know if that's true or not) --- but upon hearing the rock idea those were the images that went through my head first. It's a right, you cannot move it any easier than you can destroy this rock. That kinda thing. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but if the story ever hit the nightly news a one sentence message would be easier than an obscure reference to a story that many RKBA people aren't even familiar with.

    I'm thinking it might be more prudent to mail them to the Senators than Congressmen though. Simply because of sheer numbers. If each congress critter gets, oh, 3-4 rocks, that'd mean each Senator could have received 12-20 rocks. Depends on your state of course. Oh, heck, mail one to all three.

    I'm prone to suggest the Senators idea because my congress critter doesn't appear to be a horribly bad guy with regards to the 2A. My Senators are another matter though.

    Heck, maybe we should just mail 'em all to Larry Craig so he can chuck them at Senators during session :)

    How big are we talking here? Fist sized? Double fist sized? Human head? 5 year old boy's body mass? :evil:

    I really, really, really like the idea.
     
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    I was thinking a 5'x5' slab on concrete, layed on the individuals car. That would give me enough room to write whatever i wanted as big as I wanted:D
     
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    As big as you want to pay postage on.
    :D
    I'd recommend fist sized or smaller, Hel, send as many as you want, too. They can be sxent to anti sheriffs, mayors, whoever.
    I want this to get as much attention as we can. Really freak them out!
    Any pro rkba messages are great!
     
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    Might I suggest this quote from the Constitution plus a link to the article.

     
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    Excellent!

    I suggest everyone use whichever quote you feel is proper, so long as it is rkba related, and it fits legibly on your rock. Jimpeel pointed out, we shouldn't link to the article, as they can find out who has visited that site. Perhaps include the text of the story copied over to Word or such a program. place the story in the package with your rock or picture threof.
     
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    I love it.


    But for this to have a snowballs chance in hell of working vaguely well - we MUST organize! We need to find out what numbers are going where, who's in and who's out. Else I see only about 15 people even do it nation wide.

    I for one and willing to go through and PM members from Indiana, as some probably haven't seen this thread.

    We also need a timeframe. What?


    I'm all ears here, but this won't go anywhere without planning.

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    WE send the first one to a trusted RKBA Journalist, Reporter...

    This person does the reference to "Window War".

    Then we pull a "Hitcock". Alfred Hitchcock would show the audience a ticking bomb...then go on with the plot. All the time the audience was trying to follow the plot - that image of the ticking bomb bugged them. Audience did not know when or where...but that bomb was going to play a part. tick...tick...tick

    We work smarter - not harder. Have this trusted RKBA Media person show the rock , message and reference the "Window War". IN The TRUE spirit of which we seek this message sent.

    When these show up, folks will know why and the message. We tell our side first, we send the message we want first. That is established and documented .

    Talking heads can't muck it up, can't discredit, can't mis-represent, can't mis-quote.

    We take the offensive and tell the truth first. This makes the talking heads and politicans have to take the defensive.

    Be the firstest with the mostest Gen. Bedford Forrest.
     
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    So should an individual send rocks to only his senators, or to more?
     
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    A great idea

    "Rocks can be paralleled to firearms"

    Rocks were firearms at one time. They will be again if we don't stop the non-sense.

    Would the picture of the rock with its message be more effective if it were lying in a pool of broken glass with an obvious smashed window in the background??

    Such a picture could be circulated on the net to anyone who wanted to join the protest. Discipline of a protesting group perhaps makes more of an impression than their noise. If a few hundred, hopefully thousand, people from all over the country are doing the same thing [i.e, sending the same picture] this tells the congress critters and whoever else that an organized, disciplined group is afoot.

    I firmly believe in putting my own return address on anything I send the critters. This stops me from sending bombs or dead G-men that might be traced back to me and it means that there is a serious person out there who might even expect a reply. It at least says that there is a real person out there watching your actions. And I'm old enuf now so that if they take me out today, I won't have missed much. There are advantages to getting old.

    And I get a chance to send a letter to Hitlary. I'm so damn lucky I'm wetting my .....never mind.

    Should someone start a thread with a more obvious title and instructions? Sort of a "one-stop" place to get your information, addresses, pictures, etc. It is important, I think, that we all do the same thing. A real rock is enough of a nusiance to some senders that the job might not get done.

    Someone mentioned the beauty of piling the rocks around the front door. Of what? The halls of Congress?

    Might get attention, but all those cars driving on the capitol lawn would cause problems.

    Great idea. I'm in no matter what we decide to do.

    This is sort of odd. I think that we each are sitting here not wanting to grab the reins because others might think we are power mad. But we do need a bit of central "leadership" just to get the thing right, whatever we do.

    rr [sitting here not wanting...etc.]
     
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    Hel with it, I'll take the reins....

    I've sent an email out to several of the big RKBA groups. JFPO, 2nd Amendment Sisters, Etc. Right now, I'm interested in numbers. SM and I need to talk and get a couple things hashed out, but give us a couple days, and we can get this off the ground. SM is right though, we need to get our story to a good journalist before anything happens. I don't know if he had someone in mind. If not, we need to find one.
    IS THERE A JOURNALIST IN THE HOUSE?
    lol.
     
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