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A Case for guns in Churches

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Apr 25, 2012.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Member

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    I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum earlier. To bad it was too late for 1 woman. But many more were saved.



    This is definitely a good example for when someone brings up no guns in churches.



    http://www.thonline.com/news/nationa...1ac6ec6f0.html


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  2. allaroundhunter

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    In theory, it can be a case for anywhere that guns are not allowed. Law abiding citizens get killed by the non-law abiding criminals. I really don't know how many people have to die before out stupid governments figure this out, but the number keeps rising.
     
  3. bigfatdave

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    what's special about as church?

    arm yourself or be a victim unable to resist
     
  4. cambeul41

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    I see the state's forbidding guns in churches to be a first amendment violation.

    In Michigan, "Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons" is a pistol free area. I suppose that is one one step better. I will leave it to the religious to decide whether it is enough better.
     
  5. TJx

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    My CCW instructor trained a couple of local church security teams as a public service.
     
  6. usmarine0352_2005

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    How is it a 1st Amendment violation?
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  7. ForumSurfer

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    I agree with BFD on that. I arm myself anywhere I go (where it is legal). If I magically knew where I was safe, I'd move there and never leave.

    Some churches here in NC can become illegal to carry, period. There are several that have become accredited full time schools, so the same policies apply as to regular schools.
     
  8. 4v50 Gary

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    I know a minister who packs. Most of his congregation does too and that church is the wrong one to attack. I wonder why it isn't called St. John (Moses Browning)?
     
  9. BP Hunter

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    I always carry at church. While at church one day, my wife nudged on my side and realized I was carrying. She then whispered in my ear, "You don't need that thing here..". I just looked down at her and smiled. That said it all.
     
  10. coalman

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    Criminals break laws. Most such laws aide in prosecution not protection or prevention.
     
  11. Ryanxia

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    I always carry at Church, there's no magical bubble anywhere in the world that keeps you 100% safe. I hear of lots of Pastors that carry too.
     
  12. allaroundhunter

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    I would love to be able to carry at church, but several states have laws against it even with a CHL.
     
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  13. Owen Sparks

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    A church is private property.

    The decision to allow or forbid guns or anything else for that matter should be left up to the members who catually OWN the church, not the state.
     
  14. allaroundhunter

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    I completely agree, but there are many things that should be that aren't :banghead:
     
  15. Owen Sparks

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    Recognition of property rights would solve most of society’s problems.
     
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    And recognition of individual rights (like the 2A), would solve many of the problems that we discuss here on THR.....Common sense doesn't get us too far these days does it? :confused:
     
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    The violation of the first ammendment comment above I believe is related to the fact that the government shouldn't be regulating what goes on in a church.

    Allaround, you are absolutely right. "Gun Free Zones" do nothing (unless you have quality security which screens everyone, such as with my local courthouse) to prevent Joe Schmoe from carrying inside, concealed or not. The only difference is that someone like me, a law-abiding citizen, will disarm before going there. The criminal won't.

    Coalman is right, gun free zone laws simply give another law to use in prosecution, which I think is unneccessary if someone is on trial for murder. They do nothing to prevent crime commited with guns in those areas.
     
  18. waterhouse

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    You may carry at your church in Texas unless a proper 30.06 sign is posted.

    From the Texas penal code:

    If you get down to letter (i), you'll see that:

    Ergo, your church is the same as most other buildings in the state . . . no correctly posted sign, no problem.
     
  19. PastorAaron

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    I'm one of em! Also teach ccw and awareness courses at the church building. We teach our people (women especiall)y to pray for peace, but carry protection.
     
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    Exactly!
     
  21. Nomad

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    It is legal to carry in Arizona in a church. I am a church officer and I carry every Sunday. I suspect I'm not the only one.
     
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    Amen! Brother and pass the ammo. That's why I love liveing in Arizona.:cool:
     
  23. Joshua M.

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    Once again it is brought up...if it is Concealed, then why worry about if it is "illegal"...God forbid should you ever need to use it, then what happens happens. I for one know of many that carry, and feel real well about all in our congregation that if anything were to happen, things would be taken care of with minimal innocent victims.
     
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    I can think of one thing: organised religion is one of the greatest means of separation of individual points of view, and one of the biggest sources of animosity between different peoples, in the world. So, frankly, as alarmist as it may sound, as far as places where you could experience violence based solely on association, i'd place houses of worship high up on the list, particularly if you're a member of a congregation which is contrary to the majority socio-religious tendencies in your region; see historical outbursts of violence towards baptist churches with mostly black patronage in the american south, or jewish synagogues and schools internationally.

    An awful lot of extremists are "religious extremists"...
     
  25. preachnhunt

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    I'm with Pastor Aaron. And I'm another one of them.
     
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