A country evenly divided???

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Well,

I'm new here but must say that I was deeply disappointed that the "Savage Nation" thread was shut down but I will abide and not relive it. I will however, say that it did open up to an idea that it illustrated so well. Let me explain:

If you listen to the (Liberal) Media or read the news papers you would be led to believe that this country is divided right down the middle on the issues of this nation. The "Savage Nation" thread was more the norm of the nation and a perfect example of such. The nation IS divided on issues but it's more like 80% for, 10% against and 10% undecided. What this country is divided on more than anything is George Bush being in the White House.

Many might think that having someone in the White House that was actually accomplishing what they set out to do for the most part and making things happen would make veryone happy, but not so. If a Republican is in office accomplishing and making things happen then the opposition looks bad and they can't allow that to happen, country be damned.

What I find amazing are the arguements used to defend all these positions. Common sense (if a person has any), even without the aid of facts, will tell you where these things will end up if brought to fruition.

In conclusion I will reiterate that the country may be divided on G.W. but not on the issues at hand. Those against the issues are in the minority but paint a really big picture of lots of people behind them to give that illusion. I take comfort in knowing that my rights will remain in tact despite the opposition to them by those that would take away their own rights just to restrict me. It is truly amazing...but not suprising.

Thank you. Thank you. I'll be playing here all week :)

DRC "I'm for my rights as an American. I'm not for war, I'm just not for doing nothing."
 
Those against the issues are in the minority but paint a really big picture of lots of people behind them to give that illusion.
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You're right—and welcome, eh?

Leftist extremists have always been élitists, perpetually convinced they're the vanguard, the leadership, the catalyst that will... Well, they've never quite managed to think quite that far ahead, but they're way out in front of everybody else: no doubt about it.

Fact is, they're well over a century behind history and proceeding backward at full speed—but they're very good at grabbing attention, especially from the national leftist extremist so-called "news" media.
 
Standing Wolf....

We share the same degree of appreciation for the elitists:D

Dang, you're correct about the way in which they utilize the already sympathetic news media as well:)

Nothing left to comment on...

Welcome DRC!
 
If you listen to the (Liberal) Media or read the news papers you would be led to believe that this country is divided right down the middle on the issues of this nation. The "Savage Nation" thread was more the norm of the nation and a perfect example of such.
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Hmmm. Do you really think a firearms discussion board is going to give a representative cross section?
 
Hello Tamara.

"Hmmm. Do you really think a firearms discussion board is going to give a representative cross section?"

In answer to your question, nope. I was using it as an example of what is typical on issues. This board is predominantly conservative in it's thinking I would venture to guess, but thanks for asking. What is truer to form is that the actual division in the country over the issues is more representative of what we saw on the "Savage" thread instead of vise versa.

Thanks for the welcome and I look forward to getting to know this group. Some I've already found to be quite intresting :)

Take care and I will see you around.

DRC
 
DRC:

I said it in the Savage thread, and I'll say it again:

WELCOME, and I'm going to love having you here!!!

You seem intelligent, and are well-spoken and polite.

A great asset to this board.

You in CA, by chance?

Love to meet you and buy you a beer!


Drjones

EDIT: Oops....just saw you're in Tejas.....shoot.... Oh well.... :(
 
Hello to all.

Drjones,

If you should ever be in Texas you should give me a holler. We'll go shooting and have that beer (although I'm more of a Wild Turkey 101 man ;). If I'm ever heading out that direction I'll let you know in advance and I'll give you a holler. Thank you for the kind words. It is greatly appreciated and I look forward to conversing with you and others as well as time goes on.

Noel,

If I made nice lever action rifles would you buy them ;) Honestly I do not manufacture any firearms but I am looking for a nice lever action in either 30-30 or 45 LC caliber. I'm attempting to get into Cowboy action pistol shooting.

Just for information sake I'm a 22 USBR match shooter (Anschutz Mod. 64 MS), and silhouette, enjoy my H&K USP V-1 very much (they know how to make a pistol) and my Kahr K40. I'm a CHL holder and CHL instructor in the state of Texas so I know how to shoot, how well is a mystery even to me ;) I just enjoy shooting. So I know about shooting too I just like the exchanges on politics and find it intresting to see what others take on subjects are. Some are good and well thought out while others are truly hysterical (IMHO< note the passive agressive DRC there :)

Take care everyone. It's Miller time!

DRC
 
Many might think that having someone in the White House that was actually accomplishing what they set out to do for the most part and making things happen would make veryone happy, but not so.
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Well, now. . . that depends on what it is that he set out to do, doesn't it? I'm not terribly happy about renewing the assault weapons ban, expanding search and seizure powers beyond what the 4th Amendment allows, or demanding that librarians and booksellers give the federal government lists of my reading material. I find it a little weird that the creation of a domestic spy office with a real, live, conspiracy-theory Illuminati seal for a logo is termed an "accomplishment." And I have serious questions about whether it was such a good idea to make war with Iraq the lodestone of our entire foreign policy.

"Making things happen" doesn't do much for me if you're making bad things happen. Hitler and Mussolini made things happen. So did Bill Clinton. That doesn't mean I'd ever want to replace Bush with Bill Clinton or Mussolini, but you can't honestly expect people to go along without question just because the guy is a Republican. I'm from Illinois, and I know how far I can trust Republicans. Ask Al Salvi, George and Jim Ryan, and Kirk Dillard what a Republican's word is worth in Illinois.

Quite frankly, when the Assault Weapons Ban sunsets next year, I'm hoping Bush will fail miserably at what he set out to do. If that makes me part of "the opposition" that is "against the issues," whatever that means, then so be it.
 
Hello Don.

I understand your concerns and where you're coming from. I have a cousin that just moved down here from Ill. and he's told me the stories of how screwed up things have become in Illinois which is one of the primary reasons for his move.

As to trusting Republicans I don't think I ever said that I trust a person because they are Republican. I vote Republican because the "typical" platform is based on conservative ideals. I'm a conservative, not a Republican and just like some conservatives have mascaraded as Democrats, so liberals will mascarade as Republicans. Presently there are too many spineless Republicans in office than I can stomach but it's still better than the alternative of voting for what you know will be revocation of your constitutional rights (the lesser of the two evils so to speak)

I too believe there is no reason to renew assault weapons ban, I think that making anything over a ten round clip illegal post ban is inhernetly stupid because one bullet, ten bullets or a thousand bullets can kill a person just as dead. So limiting the number of bullets to be held in a gun is ludicrous in my opinion.

"expanding search and seizure powers beyond what the 4th Amendment allows, or demanding that librarians and booksellers give the federal government lists of my reading material. I find it a little weird that the creation of a domestic spy office with a real, live, conspiracy-theory Illuminati seal for a logo is termed an "accomplishment."

You could be correct here, but this could also simply be as much conjecture as I've espoused. Are my findings and opinion conclusive? Only time will tell but presently the answer would be, no. But the same holds true for yours as well. If you're right then you're right and if I'm right I'm right. We'll just have to wait and see or change it as we can.

Politics is an ugly game and never takes all sides into consideration at any point. Never has never will. Political positioning is what you have to have in order to "get there" and is never popular to everyone at the same time. It's the nature of the beast and it is a beast. I subscribe to the idea of "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Your dissent is an American value and is based on reason and understanding, unfortunately the majority of the current dissent isn't for the issues they espouse but rather for the sitting Administration and is based on nothing more than loathing. You have issues you don't like but they have a President they don't like and will interfere with your rights to show how much dislike they have for this President.

Understand that I agree with your concerns but when someone sets out to do something and does it that something is an "accomplishment" popular or not. Mousilini, Hitler set out to destroy and take over but what they accomplished in the end was their own demise. Bill Clinton accomplished the Family Medical Leave Act, higher taxation and denigrated the sanctity of the office of President. But he did accomplish those things along with some others that were total failures but also accomplished a failure of his own legacy. Bill Clinton also didn't actually do what he set out to do but actually said what peole wanted to hear then stabbed them in the back and tried to do things in secret because he knew they would fail otherwise. That's called coersion not accomplishment.

Your concerns are well received and yes, abuses can take place depending on who holds control but I would think that many of these possible scenarios have been looked at before many of these things were put into place; otherwise it opens itself up to entirely too much abuse immediately as well as in the future. We'll have to see.

I will say to "...demanding that librarians and booksellers give the federal government lists of my reading material." The scary part about that is that they can already do these things without demanding them, they just do them privately which makes checks and balances against access nonexistant. That scares me even more but it's the age of technology and greater access for better or for worse.

Take care and sorry to be so wordy,

DRC
 
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