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A friendly reminder in dark times....

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CoyoteSix, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. CoyoteSix

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    Remember during these crazy times in the post Sandy Hook gun culture, the Anti-gunners are still our fellow Americans.

    I don't mean Obama, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Morgan or any other Political talking head. etc. I mean the co-worker you've got that you debate with every night on swing shift, the nosy neighbor that always calls Law Enforcement to your home any time he even catches a glimpse of a gun at your place, the relative that you dread seeing at Thanksgiving because you know He/She is gonna call you an irresponsible parent for keeping guns in the house with your kids, Heck, even the stuck up girl in one of my classes that claims "Gun's raise testosterone levels" is my fellow American.

    These people, for whatever reason, have Anti-gun beliefs because they truly feel that Anti-gun Legislation will make everyone safe. We can't think of them as the enemy for doing what they truly feel is good for the country. We'd just become hypocrites for doing that.

    And I'm sure there are special cases where someone is Anti-Gun for very malicious reasons. Heck, just look at some Politicians we've got.

    I'm not advocating Anti-Gun theory in anyway possible. I'm just saying remember:

    They're not the enemy, they're our fellow countrymen.

    They're not evil, they just believe what they do is truly "The Best" course of action is.

    It's not "Us" and "Them", It's just Us. We're all in this together.

    No matter what they believe in, Anti-Gun or not, I'd still use my gun(s) to help them if the time ever came. Hell, call me soft but I'm not sure I could stop my self from intervening if Bloomberg or Feinstein were truly in danger. I'm not a judge, I don't get to decide who deserves what. I've got a duty as a human being to not look the other way when others are in danger though.

    Have patience with those who've got a different opinion on on the current gun issues is all I'm trying to say.


    We fight clean, we fight for what's right, we keep on fighting even when the there's nothing left to fight for, and most importantly, we don't hurt anybody. Than nobody can say we didn't try.


    Thank's for your time THR.

    Regards, Kicker.
     
  2. Micha2u

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    A good article indeed Mic. What I took from that article was that the Author considers anyone that restricts anyone from defending himself or his family an enemy.

    I'm just trying to address it at the civilian, non-gov't, level.

    I agree that Gov't officials of any level are bad for the U.S. when they go anti-gun.

    I just want to remind everyone that all us non-legislative Americans are on the same side.

    When we go to political war against Gun Grabbers, we're not going to war against our neighbors, but against our law makers who entertain these ideas.

    Holding resentment that leads to a "Us V.S. Them" mentality doesn't help anyone.
     
  4. Roadkill

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    No, they are not. They are destroying the Constitution. Without it America can not exist.

    Yes, I can. And do. They are the enemy. And what about what I "feel" ?

    Yes, they are. They will make me a felon. And no, they're not. Not any longer.

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    Yes they are, and I don't give a damn what they think. Why should I? They don't care what I think?

    Ask the folks in NY how they feel about that.


    And a lot of damn good that's done.
     
  5. RiverPerson

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    I could have a little more respect for anti gunners if they actually took the time to learn about the the things they are trying to take away.

    People don't think. This is prevalent on both sides of the political spectrum and all economic classes. Instead, people just react and support whatever sounds good at the time, without doing any kind of research.
     
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    While I agree with the basic spirit of what you are saying, I feel that each situation is unique and should be dealt with accordingly. Some people can be reasoned with and even "converted" to our side with some basic education. Others are so deeply brainwashed that there is little to no hope of ever reaching them with facts and examples. These types should be dealt with boldly. They are a big part of the problem in the sense that they vote for the Feinsteins and Shumers as well as spew their hatred of guns to all who will listen. They may also financially support rabid anti gun groups. They are on the opposite side and therefore an adversary to be reckoned with in a swift, firm manner. No holds barred.
     
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    If a group of Americans were saying you could no longer be a Catholic, or writer editorial articles in the paper that are negative towards elected officials would you consider them an enemy?

    Anyone who wants to infringe upon ANY of our constitutional rights is an enemy.
     
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    Great read Micha2.... Thouroughly enjoyed it..... Thanks for the link
     
  9. radiotom

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    I wonder how many people believe us yet, that the secular communists have taken over? Seriously...how much more do you have to see?
     
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    In a way, I agree with you. Nobody wants another Sandy Hook, and a lot of people blindly believe the politicians and have got it into their heads that restricting our 2A rights would somehow stop another massacre.

    If good people believe that premise, then of course they would want a ban.

    The crime that they are commiting is one of stupidity.
    Banning guns won't stop another massacre, and they are willing to take away our rights simply because they have either chosen not to think for themselves or are incapable of doing so.

    Either way they are the enemy, good intentions nonwithstanding.
     
  11. geekWithA.45

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    A lot of evil is sanctioned by people with good intentions.
     
  12. SoCalNoMore

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    Like how BHO banned protests anywhere the SS is near? It starts small, chip away, chip away. Its starts with this;

    "San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne said we can “it may take a generation but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws like Senator Dianne Feinstein’s proposed assault weapons ban legislation.”
     
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    Well.......a self described "bleeding heart liberal" wrote in a letter to a newspaper"...that despite being gun owners ....husband & wife never discussed defending themselves against home invasion...or BATF agents coming for their guns.....the race war you were expecting......down in the man cave polishing your guns,counting your bullets.....most Americans were evolving........you rant against the man most of us elected...you can do that because of the First Amendment ....I object to you referring to yourselves as patriots ...Websters dictionary defines a patriot....that`s not you......call yourselves dinosaurs.!" signed name,address.

    This particular dinosaur would rather do something MORE enjoyable and exciting -like escaping from a a ticked off Tyranosaurus Rex - rather than listen to her ranting!
     
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    agreed, and at what price 'glory?'

    the collateral damage to individual freedom is huge...but that is the point
     
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    I appreciate the sentiment of the OP; just keep in mind that tolerance does not mean acceptance and appeasement will only keep the wolves at bay until the next round of "common sense solutions".
     
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    Be wary of letting your guard down. The anti-gun "fellow Americans" will exploit that opening. I hardly think they consider us their fellow Americans as the OP suggests we consider them. Yes, it's us vs. them. No way around it. Any time a person or a group takes the stand "We know what's right for YOU and the heck with your rights" I consider them on the the other side; the enemy.
     
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    As for fellow countrymen who are only doing what they truly feel is good for the country, I recommend you read They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 1933-1945, by Milton Mayer, University of Chicago Press, 1955 (Library of Congress Catalog # 55-5137, ISBN: 0-226-51190-1 / 0-226-51192-8)

    A look at creeping tyranny masquerading as benevolence in the lives of ordinary people.
     
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    IMO liberalism is a mental illness or the the ability to reason in a common sense manner sadly it is being taught in our public schools and our colleges with great effect all we need to do is watch mainstream media to view the damage did by a journalism degree.

    I believe those on the left in power know exactly what they are doing and why they do it certainly not out of kindness but the desire to have overwhelming power over the people. I just don't see how one can comprise with people like this and sadly to some degree it's in both parties.
     
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    We'll see how many are Americans when BHO tries for a third term.
     
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    The American Progressive movement defined itself in the last half of the 19th century. It's goal was and as to remake American society to serve the greater good. It's tool of choice: the Federal government. The primary barrier to the Progressive's use of that tool of choice is the United States Constitution as it places unacceptable limits upon government power and authority. For the past 100+ years, Progressives have used, reinterpreted, reimagined, or ignored the Constitution as it suited their need.Where authority existed, they used it. Where it did not, they imagined it. When they could, they just ignored it. And when none of that worked, they forced it.

    A primary strategy in this has been Progressive control of the education system, especially institutions of higher learning. That is where the policy decisions that affect our daily lives and future are born. Lawyers, economists, political scientists, journalists, and teachers—especially teachers, that is where they are taught what to think (though not always how to think, at least not originally) They seek to mold minds to their way of thinking. It is necessarily a slow process, but it has worked well.
     
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    As a non liberal, I take offense at that statement. While you may believe that, The truth is you are in the small minority with that extreme and dismissive opinion, any valid points you might have gets lost in the noise of your paranoia and anger. You readily demonize one party while admitting both parties are making the same mistakes, which makes you look incredibly biased, and is sadly, a common theme among the hard right. It makes me and many others look bad by association, destroys any credibility your post might have had, and serves to foster an "us vs them" mentality, create division and animosity rather than to educate.

    By the way, did you forget the Patriot Act, that gem of freedom foisted on the people by CONSERVATIVES? The extreme corruption and cronyism's of that great F'up, the Iraq war?
    There is rot throughout.

    P.S.
    I know a liberal or two. So far I have not overheard their personal plans to have overwhelming power over me, but I'll let you know if I do....maybe they just haven't gotten their marching orders from Fearless Leader yet...
     
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    you couldn't be more wrong. those gov officials are there because they REPRESENT people who hold the same beliefs. those people are the source of the elected representatives' power.

    those people are trying to take away your rights. if you went to war, it would be against your neighbors, the ones who put those politicians in power. they are they enemy, and until they are defeated, politicians would only be replaced with new faces that reflect the same beliefs of our enemy.
     
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    Wait...so the conservatives gave us the Patriot Act,....The liberals are marching us towards socialism....Can you define who the "enemy" is again, please, Taliv?
    Yup, we'd just better pick up our guns and just start shooting each other, since we are all each others enemy.
    I'd expect more from a High Road mod.

    "They" are voted in by the people riding a carpet of support for issues that they know are "important"...then go about voting for their own agenda, on the basis that their opinion "represents" that of the majority of their constituents....and are many times voted out by that same group of people who voted them in, for that reason. You forget in 1994 they voted too blatently on their personal opinion, instead of their constituents, and were ousted. Don't paint the entirety of the people who voted in a particular official as entirely agreeing with that official and supporting their agendas throughout their political career.
    Voting for someone based on their record and what they say they represent, then finding out they don't represent what they portrayed, is hardly an indictment in this day and age. Its the norm.
    I was as surprised to see Obama go for guns at the first opportunity, as I was to see hard-line governor Christie give him a wet sloppy one when he wanted more funding from him.
     
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  24. Gaffer

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    The antis are simply wrong! End of discussion!
     
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    All of the antis I know are sheeple, the swallow the current administration's lies and propaganda hook, line and sinker. The sheeple are the ones that re-relected Dear Leader, if you get right down to it, the sheeple are the problem, not the leaders. The leaders are like wind up toys, the electorate wind them up and they totter along, spewing their rhetoric, as one would expect. But it's the sheeple that had the choice, it is the sheeple that elected them. The sheeple are the problem, not the leaders.
     
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