A Gripe About Some Concealed Carry Laws

[pyle]

First of all, I'm quite thankful that the lawmakers in the State of Oklahoma have the wisdom to allow "qualified" individuals to carry concealed handguns. However, I have a few gripes about the laws as they are now.

Here's a perfect example. A CCW permit holder may drive onto shool property with his/her loaded handgun(s) ONLY to pick up or drop off his/her kids. You are not allowed to leave the handgun in the vehicle unattended. Nor are you allowed to carry the gun away from your vehicle. This creates all kinds of problems for me. I drive about 10 miles (one way) to pick up my kids from school (ages 5 and 8). Often, I'm required to go into the school building and pick them up.

Obviously, I believe I should be allowed to carry the gun while I walk in to pick up my kids. For one thing - I don't like leaving my gun in the truck when I'm not around the truck - not to mention that it would be a felony to do so at a school.

Oklahoma law does do a really good job at protecting the rights of CCW holders to leave guns in vehicles while they (ccw holders) enter "gun free zones". However, this makes no sense to me as I feel that leaving guns in vehicles is sort of like asking for a gun theft. It's much too easy to break into a vehicle and steal a gun or just steel the vehicle than it would be to take the gun from me.


I'm one of these guys that does obey like to obey the law - even when it hurts and makes no sense. On those days I go into town to pick up my kids - I don't carry concealed. I was just sort of wondering how many other folks out there have similar situations/problems with their daily carry routines?

 

[crebralfix]

Gripes? School?

Sheesh...that's nothing.

Check out Georgia's restrictions!

http://www.georgiapacking.org/gflpol.php

I think you can walk into your house and into the street with your gun. Don't have a July 4th BBQ and carry!

 

[pyle]

Gripes? School?

Sheesh...that's nothing.

Check out Georgia's restrictions!

Oklahoma laws are not quite as restrictive - but we're not allowed to carry in/on government owned property - EXCEPT leaving the gun in the vehicle.

Those are just really frustrating parts of CCW laws that seem to defeat the purpose of the laws to begin with....

 

[wdlsguy]

Does Oklahoma have something akin to the Texas State Rifle Association, that is working to relax silly restrictions such as the one above?

 

[pyle]

Does Oklahoma have something akin to the Texas State Rifle Association, that is working to relax silly restrictions such as the one above?

I don't know of any organization that well organized. I will check into it further. Maybe that's something I could become a part of....

 

[anythingshiny]

nc does not even allow you on the property. of course "its concealed" but i cant legally even drive thru the pick up line in front of the school.

 

[Picard]

Those laws suck, but concealed is concealed. They're not going to frisk you at the school door if you were to walk in and I can't imagine any situation where you would be compromised unless you actually had to use it.

I wish my state allowed concealed carry in the first place.

 

[jetman]

Ohio laws are MUCH more screwed up on school zone laws. We aren't legally allowed to have a gun ANYWHERE on school property... not even locked in the glove compartment. I'm supposed to drop my gun off at home before I can pick up my kids from school.

 

[5knives]

Duplicate. please delete

 

[5knives]

Still can't find a word in the second Ammendment about licensing firearms for ANY purpose.

That said, Americasns have a long and rich history of ignoring stupid, oppressive and silly laws, rules and regulations.

Mr. Picard makes a very valid point.

Living in a socialist state with no CC and and a very dim view of concealed weapons, it's surprising how many people decide when and where it's prudent for them to be armed, and act accordingly.

Just a comment.

YMMV and all that.

Regards,

 

[rtroha]

Those laws suck, but concealed is concealed. They're not going to frisk you at the school door if you were to walk in and I can't imagine any situation where you would be compromised unless you actually had to use it.

Ah yes, the old ignore the law because "concealed means concealed" gambit.

All it would take is one student to run into you, jump back, and exclaim, "That man has a gun!" Suddenly, your life has taken a turn for the worse and your right to own firearms is gone.

Back when Ohio's law went into effect in 2004, I went to a school to do some work on a Saturday. The school employee who let me in the building tripped the alarm but didn't even know it.

Within minutes three cops were pounding on the door having seen our cars in the parking lot. Then of course, we had to identify ourselves, provide ID, etc.

Next thing is the dispatcher announcing to everyone that "licensee has an Ohio Concealed Handgun License". Good thing I obey the law and didn't subscribe to the "concealed means concealed" school of thinking.

 

[romma]

Next thing is the dispatcher announcing to everyone that "licensee has an Ohio Concealed Handgun License".

What did they do rtroho? Did the start frisking you because you have a permit?

Is that grounds to start frisking people?

 

[5knives]

I think the difference in opinion here is partly a generational thing.

I enlisted in the USMC in '55 and I grew up in a VERY different United States than some (most) here have.

Though even then the trends toward an Authoritarian socialst state were starting to show, especially amongst the teachers in the Schools, Friendly toward Socialists, 'Progressives, Communiterians and Communists alike and fanatic supporters of the UN..

Regards,

 

[gbran]

While CCW's are hard to get in CA, I'm amazed at the lack of restrictions here compared to many other states.

 

[pyle]

Ah yes, the old ignore the law because "concealed means concealed" gambit.

All it would take is one student to run into you, jump back, and exclaim, "That man has a gun!" Suddenly, your life has taken a turn for the worse and your right to own firearms is gone.

I could never break a law like that. It's not like breaking the speed limit or something. I've actually had them run into me like you describe (kids are ages 3 and up) - not watching where they were going.....

You're completely correct. The school my kids attend is a small (private) school. Many of the kids know me. Most of the teachers know me. It's not uncommon for my kid's friends to come up to me and give me a "friendly pat" or whatever. Breaking that law is not something I would ever do.

I really posted it just to show how silly I think it is and to see what other kind of goofy laws you might have to deal with like I do......

 

[romma]

While CCW's are hard to get in CA, I'm amazed at the lack of restrictions here compared to many other states.

That way, when the "Elite" get their permits, they are free to do as they please... Because that's what they are used to...

 

[Artigas]

There is one concealed carry law. The rest are completely invalid or at best, redundant: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[Picard]

So where does the line get drawn as to what we will or will not do because of the legality of it? Ask yourselves that question.

The counterargument can also work. All it takes is one armed criminal to ruin your life.
Look at the odds, roll the dice, say a prayer and hope for the best.

 

[rtroha]

No I didn't get "frisked". After he radioed in my DL info, I knew what he was going to be told. So I told him, "Your dispatcher is going to tell you I have a CHL, but I am not armed." Since I was telling the truth, I could say it very calmly. Had I not been telling the truth, I'm not so sure I could have acted so calmly.

Had I acted nervously and we both knew we were in a "no guns" location, who knows where it might have led.

 

[another okie]

Our laws have a ways to go in Oklahoma, but the trend has been to make them better and better ever since they passed. And remember, there was no legal concealed carry whatsoever in Oklahoma until 1996 unless you were LEO or a licensed private investigator. The PI's could only carry on duty. It was not a case of only the elite getting permits, there were no permits, period. So progress is being made.

 

[harrygunner]

Cali does have few restrictions. Tell your legislators even the fruits and nuts think school carry is OK.

I remember when my daughter was in grade school attending her first sock hop. It took place at her school at night.

Several fathers showed up. We sat in the court yard talking. But I knew they were there to protect their children.

Don't know how many were carrying, but I was.

Can't understand a law that forces a parent to stand by helpless while some lawless maniac does what he/she wishes to innocent children.

 

[pyle]

Our laws have a ways to go in Oklahoma, but the trend has been to make them better and better ever since they passed. And remember, there was no legal concealed carry whatsoever in Oklahoma until 1996 unless you were LEO or a licensed private investigator. The PI's could only carry on duty. It was not a case of only the elite getting permits, there were no permits, period. So progress is being made.

Totally agree! As long as we keep going in the right direction - I'll be happy.

 

[jrfoxx]

Thankfully, that isnt a problem here in OR. The ONLY places someone with a CHL cant carry are secure areas of prisons, secure area of jails, courthouses past the metal detectors/guards, and federal buldings as perscribed by federal laws. So, since I never have any reason at all to go to any of thoses places, I am quite lucky that I can leagally cary any place I want, and not have to worry about leaving it in the car, or at home, etc depending on where I'm going, like many others have to in other states. This is certainly one of the best things OR has going for it, IMHO. We have extremely few gun laws at all, and have shall issue permits and state premption. and allow NFA and OC with a permit anywhere ccw is legal, and OC without a permit anywhere but a handful of cities (preemption only applies to permit holders). Cant really complain too much here.

 

[TAB]

While CCW's are hard to get in CA, I'm amazed at the lack of restrictions here compared to many other states.

I wouldn't say that.

I'm amazed that you can not CCW into a bank. Out of my daily life, I don't feel I need to carry 100% of the time, but the one time I want to carry is when I'm going into and out of a bank.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I like the laws of my adopted home state, with one exception: no carrying in any establishment serving alcohol for consumption on the premises, even if you are not drinking. I don't go to bars, but I do like to go to restaurants that serve alcohol, and I need to carry there just as much as anywhere else. No one intent on a takeover robbery or shooting up the place is going to be restrained by any law.