M: Of course a lot of law enforcement are concerned about things like trap guns which they feel like don't really contribute to the keeping of the peace.
J: Well, If a hunter, if you're a hunter if you're gonna go hunting, you shouldn't need a trap gun…
M: If you're any good
J: If you're a good shot.
M: So have you brought to the attention of your fellow board members at the NRA that maybe trap guns ought to be restricted?
J: Well we've talked, we've discussed it you know, but uh this thing about trap guns has been a kind of a touchy deal, but personally, I think these trap guns basically need to be in the hands of the military and they need to be in the hands of the police, but uh, as far as trap guns to a civilian, no...