A moment of silence - A moment of outrage

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I ask for a moment of silence for today's school shooting in Baton Rouge and for all of the mass shootings here in the U.S. over the last several years.

And I ask for a moment of outrage for the typical comments made in the press every time it happens.

From an article By Ruth Laney on today's shooting in Baton Rouge:
Mass shootings are not particularly rare in the United States, where the gun-ownership lobby is politically influential and gun control is far less strict than in many countries.

A Time Line of Recent Worldwide School Shootings

Feb. 2, 1996 - Moses Lake, Wash: Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

Feb. 19, 1997 - Bethel, Alaska: Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

Oct. 1, 1997 - Pearl, Miss: Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

Dec. 1, 1997 - West Paducah, Ky: Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

Dec. 15, 1997 - Stamps, Ark: Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

March 24, 1998 - Jonesboro, Ark: Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

April 24, 1998 - Edinboro, Pa: One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

May 19, 1998 - Fayetteville, Tenn: One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.

May 21, 1998 - Springfield, Ore: Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

June 15, 1998 - Richmond, Va: One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

April 20, 1999 - Littleton, Colo: 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.

May 20, 1999 - Conyers, Ga: Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.

Nov. 19, 1999 - Deming, N.M: Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.

Dec. 6, 1999 - Fort Gibson, Okla: Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.

Feb. 29, 2000 - Mount Morris Township, Mich: Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.

March 10, 2000 - Savannah, Ga: Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.

May 26, 2000 - Lake Worth, Fla: One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

Sept. 26, 2000 - New Orleans, La: Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.

Jan. 17, 2001 - Baltimore, Md: One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.

March 5, 2001 - Santee, Calif: Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

March 7, 2001 - Williamsport, Pa: Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

March 22, 2001 - Granite Hills, Calif: One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

March 30, 2001 - Gary, Ind: One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

Nov. 12, 2001 - Caro, Mich: Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

Jan. 15, 2002 - New York, N.Y.: A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.

October 28, 2002 - Tucson, Ariz: Robert S. Flores Jr., 41, a student at the nursing school at the University of Arizona, shot and killed three female professors and then himself.

April 14, 2003 - New Orleans, La: One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.

April 24, 2003 - Red Lion, Pa: James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

Sept. 24, 2003 - Cold Spring, Minn: Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

March 21, 2005 - Red Lake, Minn: Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

Nov. 8, 2005 - Jacksboro, Tenn: One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

Aug. 24, 2006 - Essex, Vt: Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother.

Sept. 26, 2006 - Bailey, Colo: Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.

Sept. 29, 2006 - Cazenovia, Wis: A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang.

Oct. 3, 2006 - Nickel Mines, Pa: 32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died.

Jan. 3, 2007 - Tacoma, Wash: Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School.

April 16, 2007 - Blacksburg, Va: A 23-year-old Virginia Tech student, Cho Seung-Hui, killed two in a dorm, then killed 30 more 2 hours later in a classroom building. His suicide brought the death toll to 33, making the shooting rampage the most deadly in U.S. history. Fifteen others were wounded.

Sept. 21, 2007 - Dover, Del: A Delaware State Univesity Freshman, Loyer D. Brandon, shot and wounded two other Freshman students on the University campus. Brandon is being charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless engagement, as well as a gun charge.

Oct. 10, 2007 - Cleveland, Ohio: A 14-year-old student at a Cleveland high school, Asa H. Coon, shot and injured two students and two teachers before he shot and killed himself. The victims' injuries were not life-threatening.

Feb. 8, 2008 - Today -Baton Rouge, Louisiana: A nursing student shot and killed two women and then herself in a classroom at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge.
 
Hmmm...

In the last 12 years, about 258 casualties (if my count is correct).

300,000,000 + Americans

Do the math.

Tragic, but hardly epedemic.

Could probably be cut at least in half simply by allowing responsible adult educators and students to CCW.

I wonder what the body count is for jilted lovers, crazies, and thugs commiting the same sort of acts inside of police stations (where employees are known to be armed)?
 
Things are still better in the States than Guatemala or Mexico City. A LOT better. We're much safer here overall (though the ghetto is still a hellish, militant place to be, posing much of a threat to the health of all who enter there).

Alcohol seems a lot scarier to me than firearms in terms of day to day existence.
 
According to that we need to ban children ages 12-16.
I believe the uprising in school shootings is directly related to the new "Hug your enemy" mentality.

For instance, Bobby the bully keeps picking on Eli the Emo kid.

Eli initially tries to avoid the confrontation by talking to the school administrators like he has been told.

Admin pulls the two boys together and makes them "hug & make up" and makes Bobby promise never to bully Eli again.

The admin pats themselves on the back for finding a "peacful" solution.

Eli is now a snitch and draws more of Bobbie's wrath.

Eli is unable to do anything about this, if he fights Bobby he'll get pounded and then suspended.

Things build, Eli becomes more Emo than ever. Steals his dads equilizer. Plugs Bobby while he's sleeping through history class.
 
W.A. - I agree with you generally, but how do we know there is an "uprising" in school shootings?

They have only been tracked specifically as "school shootings" for the past 20 years or so.

Remember Kent State? How about 1975's "I Don't Like Mondays"?

Before we had multitudes of 24/7 "News" channels looking for something about which to blab while they feed live video, incidents in schools rarely made the news.

There sure does seem to be a lot in the past month though.
 
"some boys used to slap me after school some days, said i was too light, wanted to turn me red, started carrying a screwdriver to school, boys stopped slappin me..."


mutual combat is...messy :p but i dont think elmo the bully would want more of it, if eli made sure he fought back hard.
 
No. Kent State was the Ohio National Guard killing student rabble rousers. (Tongue firmly in cheek). That was when I realized what the 2A is really about. Were the protesters wrong? Yes. Did they deserve to die for protesting? No. There were unproven rumors about rock & bottles .. but.. C'mon.
 
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Wasn't that the guy in the bell tower?

That was the University of Texas. Charles Whitman. August 1, 1966.
And it was a clock tower.

This is one of the main incidents cited as the reason LBJ began to demand stricter gun control, which he got in 1968.

Whitman bought all of his guns that morning.
 
They always equate shootings with the availability of arms. If that was the mitigating factor, how come no mas homicides in police stations or military co,pounds. The TRUE constant is how certain a murderer is that he will be able to pull of his rampage. A man will not walk into a room full of people able to ACTUALY PROTECT THEMSELVES and try to enact his carnage.
 
You'll have to forgive me, I'm to young to remember and they didn't teach us about that in school.

There's a lot they don't teach anymore......

They didn't teach me about it either but my dad's attorney was going to law school at UT the day it happened and spent most of that day under a car hiding and I heard the story over and over :)
 
Notch,
The gunman's intent really doesn't matter. The fact is if EVERY room ANY gunman walked into intending to do wrong had an armed citizen in it, these rampages wouldn't be nearly so costly.
 
You will note how these spree killings never take place at NRA meetings.

Seriously, the stats from 1995 show firearm deaths running at about 1 1/2% of all causes of death. Way behind auto accidents, fires, drowning , falls and poisonings.
 
Compulsory attendance sometimes brings out the worst in people. The kind of thuggery that goes on in schools doesn't seem to be in place in colleges. School requires you to be there until time's up. College tells you to be there for your courses - and attendance usually isn't mandatory. Not to say college shootings don't happen, but it's usually a different breed of folks doing it.

There's two general types, it appears: The seething-rage folks and the quiet types.
Seething ragers will get mad (maybe after a bunch of incidents, maybe after the first) and want to kill as soon as possible. They'll snatch up a gun and go shoot somebody as soon as they get the chance. Lots of these incidents, usually few deaths from 'em.
The quiet types will plan out their movements over a long(er) period of time. May have clear mental illnesses, may not. Charles Whitman brought up a whole pack of guns and ammunition. Cho did similar.

Your ragers can be dealt with, to some extent, by parents doing a better job, schools expelling/thrashing/disembowelling thuggish students, or something of the kind. The quiet folks are much harder to protect against. See Lee Harvey Oswald. The DC Sniper.
 
In the last 12 years, about 258 casualties (if my count is correct)

Now consider the tens of thousands per year killed in alcohol-related crashes on our streets and highways. Now, where should our priorities be?
 
No one mentioned Ted Bundy or Charles Manson!?!

Ask any anti-gun person if they want to deal with these guys on an equal playing field... They might finally be enlightened.
 
Yes I think Beslan was the worst of all of the shootings, I am surprised it isn't talked about more, I remember hearing it on the news and then after that, no one talked about it any more.
 
annother thing that most af these anti-gun "people" forget or neglect to say is that the weapons used in the majority of these shootings are legaly purchased hunting, target, or defence firearms, legaly owned by the parents of these little bastards. Parents who could not be bothered to find out what is going on in little Kip's life, or to lock up the guns. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, PARENTS NEED TO BE PARENTS!!!!! sure the kids had problems, sure they were getting bullied, I don't justify that, where was their guidance?
maybe little Jonny didn't get the spankings he needed growing up.
hate to go off, but this just pisses me off, of course they blame the guns, it's easier, that way they don't have to accept the responsibility that they should accept as parents
 
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