A New Walther CCP

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Last week I was at my local range/store getting some trigger time with a buddy. On the way into the range we came across a used Walther CCP for sale. As it happened, that day I had also brought my H&K P7, which also uses the Barnitzke system to operate (Walther apparently refers to this as Softcoil). I didn't initially plan on purchasing the CCP, but while talking about it with my buddy, he pointed out that the gun fit in with my collection of oddball weapons.

I don't think I've ever even seen a CCP in person before this, so I figured I'd take a chance. I realize that the CCP tends to get a bad rap from many, but I didn't feel that I was risking too much at $350. It's a .380, which i believe makes it an M2 version. It also came with 2 mags and more are available rather affordably from several sources. Curiosity got the better of us before I completed the purchase (to include some of the staff), so we just had to disassemble the gun in the store. Looking at it you can see it has some unique features - most specifically a latch at the rear of the slide. To our surprise that latch disconnected the striker assembly rearward to allow for disassembly. Underneath the slide is the same basic arrangement as that found in the P7, with the obvious exception of the squeeze-cock mechanism. It was also filthy under the slide and we found out the likely reason why as we tried to reassemble the gun. To get the slide back on the gas piston must fit perfectly back in it's hole. In our case this required a fair number of foul words and a tongue in the appropriate cheek. With some practice I'm sure this will smooth out. The gun came with (2) 8-round magazines and (surprisingly) 3 different height front sights. I haven't had a chance to shoot it but I an looking forward to it and will update here when I do! Below is the only photo I currently have of the gun. 20240404_103330.jpg
 
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Based on your stable I take it you like these pistols. I will check my CCP when I am able for the +.
I'm old and there are days when the body simply says "Nope, not doing that!" Having options that are easy to rack, magazines that are easy to load, pistols that are accurate with the ability to rapidly return to POA are essential. Now if only I can get them prescribed as Durable Medical Equipment and covered by Medicare.
 
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M2 refers to the second model of the CCP, largely based on changes in takedown and striker removal. The original CCP required a separate tool to release the striker and field strip the gun. The M2 has a button on the back of the slide that releases the striker. Besides differences at the back of the slide, M2 models are marked M2 at the bottom of the grip.

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Wouldn't you know it? My gun is marked M2 at the bottom of the grip! I just saw that in the picture (I don't have the gun handy). The takedown tool is clearly ridiculous, which explains the nifty tool-less takedown.
 
$350? Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Before I retired, one of my officers brought her new CCP to the range and I shot a mag through it. I thought the pistol was nicely done. I did own a PDP, which was a very nice pistol, but I just didn't bond with it, found that it didn't do anything my S&W M&Ps or SIGs couldn't do as well, traded it for another SIG. I've found the Walther pistols to have decent to great triggers (for striker-fired guns), decent sights and above average ergonomics.

I think Walther makes some really nice pistols that fly under the radar for most Americans. As an aside, the gorgeous and talented firearms instructor Tatiana Whitlock (Trigger Time TV) seems to really like her Walthers and is very good with them.
 
I was just able to check and my CCP does indeed have the + sign next to the DE.

Neat little pistolas!

Unrelated aside: does anyone else here from my generation look at the big CCP on the slide and instantly think of the Soviet space program?

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Yes I do!

$350? Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Before I retired, one of my officers brought her new CCP to the range and I shot a mag through it. I thought the pistol was nicely done. I did own a PDP, which was a very nice pistol, but I just didn't bond with it, found that it didn't do anything my S&W M&Ps or SIGs couldn't do as well, traded it for another SIG. I've found the Walther pistols to have decent to great triggers (for striker-fired guns), decent sights and above average ergonomics.

I think Walther makes some really nice pistols that fly under the radar for most Americans. As an aside, the gorgeous and talented firearms instructor Tatiana Whitlock (Trigger Time TV) seems to really like her Walthers and is very good with them.
I think Americans are more infatuated with Walthers than most realize. The Caniks are all Walther clones and they seem to be increasingly popular.
 
I’m surprised they bothered including the gas piston in the .380 at all rather than just going straight blowback. I’m surprised .380 has enough gas to make the system work properly. Very interesting.
 
I bought one of the very one's. It was the best fitting in my hand plastic fantasics I have owned. It was a little fiddly to take apart and three hands would have made it simpler. I found a vise with soft jaws to be a great extra hand substitute and a straight blade screw driver of the correct size to be better than the special tool. The gun was accurate and my only complaint was that after shooting for awhile it became rather warm and finally hot enough to put in the shade to cool for awhile. Since I do not do mag dump's it was something I could live with. If I wanted a 380 I would certainly consider it.
 
I’m surprised they bothered including the gas piston in the .380 at all rather than just going straight blowback. I’m surprised .380 has enough gas to make the system work properly. Very interesting.

The trend in recent years for mid-size .380 pistols has been toward reduced perceived recoil and reduced racking force and the gas piston system contributes to both.
 
Umarex makes those.

Hopefully they have improved over the years

That stands to reason as Umarex bought Walther in 1993. Other than being a little fiddly to take part and reassemble mine worked perfectly. I would consider it on a par with the Ruger MK III in difficulty. Keep the owner's manual for either handy and you will have no problems. The new edition is supposed to adress the fiddlyness. Hindsight makes me regret seeing mine.
 
That stands to reason as Umarex bought Walther in 1993. Other than being a little fiddly to take part and reassemble mine worked perfectly. I would consider it on a par with the Ruger MK III in difficulty. Keep the owner's manual for either handy and you will have no problems. The new edition is supposed to adress the fiddlyness. Hindsight makes me regret seeing mine.
Umarex does a decent job with rimfires. I feel they should stay away from centerfire pistols. Quality is lacking.

I haven’t handled a CCP in a while. I was not impressed with the early models
 
I almost bought a first gen. CCP a few months ago. It was in decent shape, priced around $350, box and mags. But when the sales guy got the box out the little tool to disassemble the slide wasn't in there. Some of the complaints about them cameback to me and I declined the sale. It was sold a week later though.
 
I almost bought a first gen. CCP a few months ago. It was in decent shape, priced around $350, box and mags. But when the sales guy got the box out the little tool to disassemble the slide wasn't in there. Some of the complaints about them cameback to me and I declined the sale. It was sold a week later though.


I have already posted this but a correct size flat blade screwdriver works better than the tool. The owner' manual tell you a screwdriver can be used as a substitute. I now nothing about complaints as mine worked just like it was supposed to.

I forgot, real men do not read manuals. 😃
 
As it happened, that day I had also brought my H&K P7, which also uses the Barnitzke system
I've a P7, really like it, never knew that was the system name. I thought the system began with the last-ditch Volkspistole, at the end of WWII.
Unrelated aside: does anyone else here from my generation look at the big CCP on the slide and instantly think of the Soviet space program?
Or the current name of the Chinese Communist Party. The name seemed badly chosen to me.
That stands to reason as Umarex bought Walther in 1993.
Over on the Walther board, it is often styled Umawrecks. Some of their plastic/alloy creations weren't well received, especially by we folks who like the old-school stuff.
I didn't initially plan on purchasing the CCP, but while talking about it with my buddy, he pointed out that the gun fit in with my collection of oddball weapons.
Thanks for a really great review of the pistol, I'll need to have a look over on the Walther board for the current consensus.
Moon
 
I've a P7, really like it, never knew that was the system name. I thought the system began with the last-ditch Volkspistole, at the end of WWII.

Or the current name of the Chinese Communist Party. The name seemed badly chosen to me.

Over on the Walther board, it is often styled Umawrecks. Some of their plastic/alloy creations weren't well received, especially by we folks who like the old-school stuff.

Thanks for a really great review of the pistol, I'll need to have a look over on the Walther board for the current consensus.
Moon
The earliest design I am aware of is the Steyr GB, which dates to 1968 (in a pistol anyway). There are only 4 or 5 designs that utilize the full system with the gas piston.
 
After handling 30+ handguns, my wife settled on the Walter CCP. With the reduction recoil system, it’s easier for her to shoot and rack the slide. The ergonomics were also a big factor for her. She carries it everywhere she goes, where allowed.
 
Over on the Walther board, it is often styled Umawrecks. Some of their plastic/alloy creations weren't well received, especially by we folks who like the old-school stuff

That CCP is the only one I have owned. Like I stated it felt really good in my hand and gave no problems. I only got rid of it because I found something I wanted more. I do have a few of their CO2 replica pistols and those have had no issues. Fun too. Coke can accurate at 20 or so feet even with my shakey hands. Maybe I am not as rough as some with my guns.
 
The earliest design I am aware of is the Steyr GB, which dates to 1968 (in a pistol anyway). There are only 4 or 5 designs that utilize the full system with the gas piston.
Interesting. Not familiar with that, though Steyr isn't above thinking outside the box. See the AUG.
Moon
 
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