"A permissive gun culture must never take root in Canada.”

[LAR-15]

Liberals Slam Harper on Gun Control
September 18, 2006
The Liberal Opposition blasted Prime Minister Stephen Harper today over his government’s plan to weak gun laws in Canada in the wake of last week’s shootings at Montreal’s Dawson College.

“Last week all Canadians were shocked by the tragic events at Dawson College in Montreal,” said Opposition Leader Bill Graham during the first Question Period for the fall session of Parliament. “While the tragic and needless loss of life has saddened us all, it has also strengthened the resolve of Canadians that a permissive gun culture must never take root in Canada.”

“The Prime Minister said last week that this is not the time to discuss gun control in this country” Mr. Graham said. “Does the Prime Minister realize that now is not the time to weaken gun laws in Canada, as he wants to do?”..................................

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http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?id=11889

 

[tenbase]

Wasn't the shooter in full compliance with existing gun laws, including having the necessary "restricted-class firearms license" required to purchase and own the Cx4?

 

[Thefabulousfink]

I had thought that the Long Gun Registry was ineffective, grossly over budget, inaccurate, and hadn't been very helpful to police in solving crimes. However, this article makes it sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread!?!?

Since the registry was introduced five years ago, almost 7 million firearms have been registered and death rates for all types of gun deaths – homicide, suicide and accidents – have declined.

Police officers affirm that the gun registry is a crucial tool to prevent gun violence in Canada. It is used 5,000 times a day by law enforcement officers to assist in their investigations of firearms crimes. More than 5,000 affidavits have been provided by the Canadian Firearms Registry to support the prosecution of firearms-related crime and court proceedings across the country.

“Who is the Prime Minister listening to on this issue?” added Montréal-area MP Raymonde Folco. “Not the Chiefs of Police –they want the gun registry kept intact. Not ordinary Canadians –they want stronger gun control than Conservatives have the stomach for. Why does the Prime Minister listen to the gun lobby that backs him lock, stock and smoking barrel instead of listening to Canadian moms and dads who just want strong gun laws?”

(I wonder how the PM got elected if all the Moms and Dads were against him??)

“In Canada we register our cars, our property, even our dogs –yet the Prime Minister’s objection to registering guns centres on costs,” he said. “So I ask the Prime Minister: is there an arbitrary price cap on having safe schools in this country when it comes to gun control? Is this about saving money or saving lives?”

Too often in recent months Canadian communities have been the scene of such senseless gun violence. Last week’s shooting is a stark reminder of the challenge that police forces and communities face to ensure that Canadian cities stay safe.

Today, the cost of registering of guns in Canada is about $15.7 million a year. About $10 million of this represents the cost of registering rifles and shotguns.

Liberals think safety is worth the investment.

Can any Canadians (or people more informed than I) tell me how accurate this story is? I don't know the facts, but it sounds like a LOT of propaganda.

 

[Manedwolf]

Police officers affirm that the gun registry is a crucial tool to prevent gun violence in Canada. It is used 5,000 times a day by law enforcement officers to assist in their investigations of firearms crimes. More than 5,000 affidavits have been provided by the Canadian Firearms Registry to support the prosecution of firearms-related crime and court proceedings across the country.

Since it was hacked, it's probably used 10,000 times a day by thieves to shop for which gun collection to break in and steal.

 

[RobW]

Every Nation deserves the politico's and government they have. Common sense has left not only some Nations, but the whole planet.

 

[69Chevy]

Doesn't anyone think about the flip side, and think maybe, just maybe, if somone had a CCW in that montreal college that this might have be adverted or not as bad?

 

[Desertdog]

Doesn't anyone think about the flip side, and think maybe, just maybe, if somone had a CCW in that montreal college that this might have be adverted or not as bad?

If someone had had a firearm, with or without a CCW, maybe could have made a difference.

Not having a CCW does not necessarily make you a bad person as demonstrated by Vermont and Alaska.

 

[TX1911fan]

The idiocy of trying to support the registry by referring to Dawson College should be apparent to anyone, even a Canadian politician. The ONLY purpose for a registry (other than to harass gun owners) is to identify the person who registered the gun. This is only necessary when you have a crime and a gun but no criminal, so you use the registry to try and find out who the criminal is. In this case, as in the case of ALL school shootings, we already know who the criminal is! We don't need the registry, we have the body.

I believe those facts about crime decrease as a result of the registry to be false. Registries don't prevent crimes, they help solve crimes that have already occured.

 

[island]

Can any Canadians (or people more informed than I) tell me how accurate this story is? I don't know the facts, but it sounds like a LOT of propaganda.

It's complete unadulterated bullshirt, to make it brief Pay no attention to the babblings of Lieberals, it's bad for the blood pressure...

a permissive gun culture must never take root in Canada.

Too late - it's just that we only permit them for the criminals.

 

[island]

Doesn't anyone think about the flip side, and think maybe, just maybe, if somone had a CCW in that montreal college that this might have be adverted or not as bad?

Yes - there's actually been a substantial bit of talk about how ATC (authorization to carry, the Canadian version of a CCW/CHL) might well serve in some such cases. A nice letter in the paper yesterday by an active-duty police officer, in fact, proposed exactly that.

It's not like we need to change a law - the law is there to allow Type-III ATC (CCW), it's just "policy". Some policy, getting helpless people killed.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Canadian vacation? What Canadian vacation? Why would a sane person want to take a vacation in a socialist hell hole?

 

[SDC]

Thefabulousfink, it's about 5% truth to 95% BS, which is what you normally expect, coming from these weasels. They SAY there are 5000 queries per day against the database, but what they won't tell you is that the overwhelming majority of those are automatic checks, done whenever an officer runs a licence-plate check or does a CPIC (Canadian Police Information Centre) check against someone's ID.
The 7 million figure for registered firearms is a little bit out of date by now (the last figure I saw was 11 million), but that is still a ludicrously low number compared to the ACTUAL number of guns in Canada; in 1975 (the last time they were considering this foolishness), they put their pointy little heads together to come up with an estimate of how many guns there actually are in Canada. At that time, they decided there were an absolute minimum of 6 million, an absolute maximum of somewhere around 20 million, and a "most likely true" figure of somewhere around 14 million. Since then, there has been an average 1/4 million per year net import of firearms into Canada, meaning that today there are an absolute minimum of almost 14 million guns in Canada, a theoretical upper limit of almost 28 million, and a "most likely true" number of around 22 million. When the LIEberals were in power, they naturally ignored the truth, and said "No, no, no, there are only 6 million guns in Canada, and we'll be able to register them all for a little less than $80 million." They also said that the majority of expenses would be covered by licencing fees, so that in the end, the total cost to the Canadian taxpayer would be no more than $2 million. Today, somewhere around $2 BILLION has been spent on this white elephant.
The gun-related death rate in Canada has been dropping since 1975 (as it has been in the US), but the slack has been more than taken up by non-gun-related murders; are people murdered with a gun "more dead" than people murdered with another method? Apparently so, according to Wendy Cukier (our version of Sarah Brady). When we point out that jurisdictions in the US that have CCW laws have experienced even FASTER drops in their murder rates, and that some Canadian provinces have murder rates higher than any US state (despite the fact that they have the same gun control laws as every other Canadian jurisdiction), well, "those are just statistics."

 

[Prince Yamato]

Funny that the Liberal Party makes such a broohaha now when it's politically opportune. They didn't seem to care so much about the shootout at the Eaton Centre in Toronto last Xmas that left 5 people dead and 15 injured. Stupid Liberal Party. A lot of good the gun registry did then... Wouldn't it be great if Canada reversed course and became the most "armed society" in the west where ATC was encouraged? I wonder if liberal Americans would still say, "see, we need to follow Canada's example!" like they do with the healthcare system. I can dream, can't I?

 

[cloudcroft]

Standing Wolf ,

...the same people who want to go to that other sorry socialist country, Austrailia. Or perhaps New Zealand.

And while there, they could combine their Aussie vacation with a candlelight vigil for that anti-gun animal-molester liberal Steve Irwin.

-- JOhn D.

 

[donkee]

If it's used 5,000 times per day, does that mean there are 5,000 crimes committed with guns per day? If so, the registry isn't worth jack since the crime rate involving guns alone is higher per day that the crime rate in general in the US.

 

[Desertdog]

Excerpt from NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 13, No. 38 09/22/06

Last, but not least, is good news from Florida, the state that during the last 20 years has been most often attacked by anti-gunners, for (among other reasons) setting the Right-to-Carry and "Castle Doctrine" movements in motion. In 2005, Florida recorded a murder rate 13% lower than the rate for the rest of the country (4.96 per 100,000, vs. 5.67 for the rest of the country). For the record, Florida's 2005 murder rate was 58% lower than it was in 1986, the last year before the state's landmark Right-to-Carry law took effect.

 

[JERRY]

this deserves repeating.........


Excerpt from NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 13, No. 38 09/22/06

Last, but not least, is good news from Florida, the state that during the last 20 years has been most often attacked by anti-gunners, for (among other reasons) setting the Right-to-Carry and "Castle Doctrine" movements in motion. In 2005, Florida recorded a murder rate 13% lower than the rate for the rest of the country (4.96 per 100,000, vs. 5.67 for the rest of the country). For the record, Florida's 2005 murder rate was 58% lower than it was in 1986, the last year before the state's landmark Right-to-Carry law took effect.

 

[v65magnafan]

Actually, The Socialists Did Care About the Xmas Shooting

When the heavily armed Jamaican-Toronto street gangs had their shootout on a crowded shopping street the day after Christmas last year, their crossfire murdering a lovely 15-year-old school girl, the socialists did care.

Soon after the shooting, the municipal, provincial, and federal socialists and liberals declared their support for a complete handgun ban. Fortunately most journalists and citizens saw this as a tasteless, blatant grab for votes.

Since then, the Toronto Police Service has been doing some excellent police work and the crown attorneys (DAs) have been working very hard to convince the judges up here to actually keep the accused in jail--especially since most of the accused were already out on bail for gun crimes.

The city has been fairly quiet lately, just like the old days.

Fortunately, the federal Conservative party won the latest federal election, but only with a strong minority.

In the aftermath to the latest Montreal shootings, we find the press remarkably aware of the stupidity of the long gun registry.

And, amazingly, a number of columnists are speaking out in favour of carrying concealed up here. We may be watching a fundamental split developing: the Ontario and Quebec socialists against the rest of the country.

BTW, don't think Canada is a commie hell hole--we have about the same proportion of lefties up here as you do down there.