A question about reloading

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I need your help. I've poured through endless threads and endless YouTubes. I'm looking to buy a single-stage press and having trouble pulling the trigger.

I am looking to reload for handgun only. ~150 rounds per month so low volume. A progressive press is not the answer. A SSP is.

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Forster Co Ax. No doubt it would serve my needs perfectly.

Question......am I wasting money buying a Co Ax for strictly handgun/plinking purposes? Should I just get a RCBS /Lee and be done with it?
 
Look on ebay for a used single. I sold 3 of them a couple of years ago that I bought at an estate sale.
 
I'm sure the Forster is a fine press - but I don't know why it would be necessary for what you describe your needs are. Unless, of course, having that is worth the money to you, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to go that route.

That being said, I bought a used RCBS Rockchucker and I can't fathom why I'd need anything else. It has done everything I've asked it to do. (I load .223, 9mm and .38 Spcl.) It works great and I know it's a solid product. I'm not necessarily advocating a Rockchucker per se. I'm just saying a simple single stage is suiting me just fine.

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I've always been leery of buying a used press wondering if all the parts would be there.
I started out with a new Lee turret press but nearly always used it as a single stage. I still use it to deprime and resize rifle cases.

I load all my ammo now on a Hornady LNL progressive.
 
You will not go wrong with the Forster Co-Ax and it will serve you well if you decide to expand your loading capabilities.
 
The little RCBS RS5 is a good SS, and they're not very expensive, I think like $120 or so.

I finally wore out my RS2 out after about 30 yrs. hard use, I bought it in 1984. But RCBS replaced it with the RS5 "O" frame, which is the same identical press, but with a couple of upgrades. You can prime on the press, and it has a steel die thread insert. And since all your loading is handgun, you'll never wear it out, and even if you do, RCBS will take care of you for life.

GS
 
Might be a bit of overkill for handgun ammo for sure, but as pointed out, you'll be set for anything down the road.
 
I need your help. I've poured through endless threads and endless YouTubes. I'm looking to buy a single-stage press and having trouble pulling the trigger ...
I used an RCBS JR3 single stage press from the mid-70's until about 6 months ago.

Do yourself a favor ... before making a purchasing decision, take a close look at the Lee Classic Turret press. I wish I had discovered this item a LOT sooner ... o'course, I wasn't looking at the time. :)
 
I am happy with the Lee that I have, I have loaded just over 9500 rounds since Aug 2013. I spray it with WD-40 since it sits on the back porch. I make 100-200 rounds a session.
 
I have a Rockchucker, Big Boss 2 and Co-Ax. Only the Co-Ax gets used anymore, not going to go into why it just happens to almost everyone who buys a Co-Ax. I use Redding non-carbide dies for handgun reloading even though I have both, there is a good reason for it too.
 
I need your help. I've poured through endless threads and endless YouTubes.
It looks like you've educated yourself, I'd go used as a first choice picking something with a good reputation and use the difference in cost to upgrade to a stronger press than you need, you won't regret it.
 
Good advice from all. Plus a single-stage press is THE best way to start loading in my opinion. I have numerous single stage presses. A 1969 RCBS Jr. press (my very first press!) is where I still do most of my bullet seating for rifle cartridges, and I love the leverage and ease of use with a big Redding Ultra Mag. I'd suggest something in the middle for a first press - the Co Ax is probably great. You can't go wrong with a single stage and it's likely that any one of them is going to outlive you and any offspring you may produce.
 
Whenever you buy into reloading, it REALLY pays to think 5 years down the road. You'll never loose money buying any press (used or new) because the payback is so fast. And I fully agree with starting on a single-stage. However, where you loose money is moving to press #2. And pistol shooters tend to shoot lots more ammo than they ever imagined after they discover how cheap reloading is !! So the chance of future press upgrades is real.

So the question really is... Will you move more toward rifle reloading over the next five years, or will you move more toward handgun reloading? Which interests you more?

• If your future looks like 85% handgun, then I might suggest a Hornady LNL Classic single-stage. The bushings would then set you up for a Hornady LNL AP progressive in 5 years when you really go crazy with 6 different handgun calibers in volume.

• If you think you'll tend more toward rifles (other than volume 223) and remain with low volume handgun, then a very strong, O-frame, single stage will be best. Just make sure that your press will accept the longest rifle rounds you'd like to make. Not all presses accept the longer 7mm Mag and 30-06 cartridges. There are several makes in this category. Finding a used RCBS Rock Chucker from the 1970's is always fairly easy and very economical.

Hope this helps.
 
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Unless you plan on significantly increasing your shooting volume, any SS press will do 150 rounds per month easily. Even a Lee hand press. 150 rounds is an evening of reloading working at an easy pace- especially straight walled pistol cases.

Co-Ax is definitely nice, but for that low of volume I personally would go with a cheaper albeit just as capable press. Or like some have mentioned, Lee Classic Turret and take out the auto-index piece and use it as a SS until you feel the need to increase volume/speed.

Some people put the 'extra' money in a press, some put it elsewhere. For the cost of a Co-Ax you could get a Lee classic cast or classic turret AND have enough for a decent powder measure and scale.
 
I like the Hornady L-n-L as well. The bushing die changes are quick and easy. I initially intended to load 9mm and .45acp and figured I didn't need much in a press. Glad I bought the bushing system, as I now load 16 calibers...
 
I bought a Rockchucker Jr along with a Lyman #55 powder dispenser back in the early 70s, both served me well for decades. While I have a Hornady LNL progressive, I use a Lyman turret and RCBS Chargemaster, seat and crimp separate steps.

After changing over to the turret press, I began shooting about 500 rounds/week with 38-super, 45auto, 357mag and 10mm being the most loaded calibers.

Enjoy and plan ahead, chances are that you'll be shooting more than 150 rounds/month after awhile. :)
 
The Forster is a lovely press. But for loading some handgun ammo it could be seen as a bit of overkill. The upside is that you'll never outgrow it though.... :D

If you're serious about 150 rounds a month then a single stage will work just great for you. I found from my own loading that I was able to work up to 150 rounds per hour in three batches of 50 at a time. This included sizing and flaring, using a hand primer to prime the cases, a dipper for powdering them, powder level inspection with a flashlight and finally seating and crimping the bullets to finish the rounds.

So one evening's worth of easy work and you'd be set for a couple or three months worth of shooting.

For me there's two things I look for on a single stage press. One is the ability to swap dies easily and with repeatability of the die settings and the other is how easily the press handles priming without the need to handle each primer.

The first issue can be dealt with in one of two ways. The first option is to buy a bunch of Hornady split clamping die rings. These tighten up on the die body threads such that they form a really good and accurate collar around the die to allow you to thread it into place time and again with consistency of the depth setting. If you're using a Forster or any sort of screw mount press these are almost a "must use" item due to the "no fuss, no risk" way that they clamp onto the die and ensure that the collar can't move. The Lee Oring style is junk and the RCBS nuts with the set screw are not a whole lot better. The Hornady rings are a whole other level compared to the rest. And if any other company sells such split rings with clamping screws those are going to be comparable. It's the METHOD, not the company that makes such locking rings great.

Next is to avoid this issue and buy a breech lock or bayonet lock press that uses special collars on each die to achieve this same consistency of placement. Lee and Hornady make presses with this feature. Again this is about being able to swap dies easily and consistently that makes this feature desirable. Either is a bit faster than screwing the dies into place. And over hundreds and thousands of die swaps it all adds up. Because the dies are locked into these bushings by the locking nuts the style of nut in this case isn't important.

Another feature is how well the press handles priming. While I really like the Hornady LnL single stage I bought for its bayonet die mounting I should have looked into the primer handling a little more. I'm having a tough time (although I haven't really tried all THAT hard) in finding the tube style priming kit for it. And frankly it's not that great a priming setup. The Lee Safety Primer system used on their single stage presses looks to be a better way of doing things.

I do not like to handle the primers individually because it only takes a moment's inattention to end up with some oil on my hands and then that can be transferred to the primers if I'm working with a "one primer at a time" situation. So I tend to prefer a bulk primer handling setup. This can be a hand primer tool or a press mounted bulk priming system.

One "on the press" setup that I really admire is the Redding sliding primer system. It would be almost enough to encourage me to opt for a Redding and a bunch of the Hornady locking rings for the dies.

For powdering up there's a couple of options. The cheap and easy method is a Lee dipper set and a little funnel. But it can begin to feel like you don't have enough hands with this method.

Another option is a Lee Auto Disc powder measure on Lee dies. With that you could flare and powder all in one go. So your loading process would be:

  1. Size and decap the cases
  2. Prime the cases either on the return stroke if priming on the press or with a hand primer
  3. Swap the sizing die over to the flaring/powder die that has the Auto Disc measure on top and run the cases through again to flare and drop powder
  4. Inspect for proper powder level.
  5. Swap dies for the seating and crimping die and set the bullets

Since the dipping and funnel work took up much of the time when I was doing this with a single stage using the on die powder measure promises to speed things up to where you should be able to get up closer to 200 rounds per hour with a bit of some speedy but still attentive flow to the work. Or if you're happy with a casual pace still hit 150 to 180 per hour with ease where using the dipper required a certain amount of "purpose" to get to 150/hr.
 
Lyman T-Mag turret press

I use and really like my Lyman T-Mag turret press. Since I use only cast bullets I use a Lee case mouth expanding die, and I keep it installed on a cheap Lee press. I only need two dies for each caliber that I load for, and the T-Mag allows me to keep dies for three separate calibers permanently mounted to each turret. I have an extra turret with three more sets of dies mounted to it, takes about 30 seconds to change turrets on this press. Once you've loaded on a press with an open front it's hard to go back to an O-frame press.
 
For that low of volume in pistol calibers only I'd personally go with Lee Classic Turret. Next on my list working be a Hornady LNL single stage or a Rockchucker. There's nothing wrong with a Lee single stage but I think the build quality of a Hornady or RCBS justifies the price difference. I've never used a Co-Ax but I just can't see it being necessary for what your plan is.
 
The Forster is a fine press, and at your level of use (which, as pointed out) will likely increase once you have reloading down; Look to the future. The only appliance I would recommend you NOT buy is the Oooold Lee reloading tool. It made fine ammunition, but the hammering on it caused the Spousal Unit to complain, and It got old in a hurry!:D

You might like reloading. My first press 30 years ago was an RCBS Jr., which, after years of good service and customer service, I traded for a Hornady single stage from a fire sale (real fire)...$50!:) The only minor downside to most single-stage presses is unscrewing the old and screwing in new dies.

I've thought about the Lee Classic 4-hole turret press, but with my reloading, ~500+- handgun/100 rifle for the year, I think "What for?". The answer always comes back " "Cause you'd LIKE it!" :D

Good luck; It is a Fine and Pleasant Madness!
 
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I've been loading on a RCBS rock chucker for 30 years :eek:
Similar here; 25 years on a Lee Reloader (C-frame) press.

As noted above, don't worry about buying to much press, worry about too little. You'll definitely load more as you get further into it. Unless you some day decide to start cranking them out by the thousands, though, a single stage will suit your needs just fine.
 
PJSprog is right about the loading more. I started loading for a 38spl. Then my wife bought a 9mm, then I bought me a 357mag, then a 44mag. I load 38spl, 357, 9mm, 44spl and 44mag now.
 
I bought an RCBS Jr press 40 years ago and am still using it for rifle and revolver ammo. Got a Hornady LNL AP for 9mm and .45 acp. You should be able to pick up a used one for not too much and it works well for handgun and rifle up to -06 and 8mm. If loading belted magnums the Rock Chucker has more compound mechanical advantage.

Quite a few on eBay.
 
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