A small gunsafe?

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a1abdj,

No further comment to you...so things don't get ugly here.


nuit5,

Oops, sorry...didn't know you were a she.

I'm sure you'll find a decent safe and also one that doesn't cost much, either.

It's your choice where to get one, just get one.

-- John D.
 
You have a fireplace? Stick it there. Or at the bottom of a trashcan, under the bag. Or in the freezer. Or the veggie compartment of the fridge. An oven. Inside the cushion of a couch (since a lot of them zip up). If you've got a big ziplock, you could even stick it in the toilet tank. All sorts of places to hide a gun.
 
I use a simple sentry safe - $30 from walmart - to keep my Colt from my 4 year old.

Everything else is stashed around the house - out of his reach for now - but we are quickly getting to the point we need something better. Not too concerned about theft as 1) I have nothing too valuable (and things are hidden in the house) and 2) I have a big black dog and 3) watchful neighbors and 4) an alarm system and 5) a major police station within 100 yards of me.

However, I do want something affordable to keep my kid out (and maube give me enough protection that a dumb neighborhood kid will be turned away from the safe). Was thinking about a Sentry 10 gun safe from Wal Mart - for $224 - but was wondering if a1abdj would care to recommend something better at the same price point (or less)
 
However, I do want something affordable to keep my kid out (and maube give me enough protection that a dumb neighborhood kid will be turned away from the safe). Was thinking about a Sentry 10 gun safe from Wal Mart - for $224 - but was wondering if a1abdj would care to recommend something better at the same price point (or less)
I recently bought a Sentry 14 gun. It's just fine for my purposes.

1. I wanted to get all of the handguns out of my dresser so that I could put clothes in it.

2. I wanted to deter casual thieves.

3. I wanted to increase the likelihood of more serious thieves accidentally attracting attention to themselves.

For that, I think I've more than gotten my money's worth. I don't expect to keep a Willy Sutton out while I'm taking a cruise around the world. I expect to keep a hard-up junkie out, while I'm at the grocery store or visiting relatives at Christmas time.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider the 14 gun. The 14 gun safes aren't all that much more than the 10 guns. I've already pretty much filled mine up with handguns and a few long guns. I'm considering buying a 10 gun, just for long guns, of which I will probably never get many more.

PS - Extra shelves are rediculously expensive from Sentry, but you can make your own. The shelf standards use standard pressed steel clips you can buy at any home store. Just cut your shelves to match the supplied shelf and cover with some protective material (I used tool drawer matting.). I used that plywood made from random shaped pieces of wood. The guy at Home Depot cut them to size for me. Instead of $45/shelf, I payed around $5 for two shelves.
 
Was thinking about a Sentry 10 gun safe from Wal Mart - for $224 - but was wondering if a1abdj would care to recommend something better at the same price point (or less)

This type of Sentry safe is different than the Sentry document safes I was speaking of before.

This particular safe is an imported heavy gauge shell with non mechanical lock, and no insulation. It is one of the proper types of safes for firearms storage.

My distributor is getting something similiar to these in shortly, but I have no pricing information at this point. For comparison, I do sell a 16 gun, 30 minute fire lined unit that weighs 379 pounds to fellow forum members for $399 (not counting shipping). My safe is slightly larger (59 x 22 x 26) and firelined, but otherwise fairly similar in construction to the Sentry.

If your sole purpose is to keep your kids away from firearms, these types of safes are fine. If you want to deter a theif, you should have a safe with a mechanical lock at the very least. Mechanical locks resist punching attacks, which are the most common attempt at entry.
 
Deanimator,

After I spent some serious change on my Liberty Presidential, I got the Sentry G4211 (14-gun safe) a bit later on because I came up with a better secure-storage plan for my needs.

The Liberty has my guns, camera, sterling silverware, laptop (when I leave town for a while, but the large LCD TV won't fit!), rifle scope, spotting scope, SOME ammo, important documents and such in it because besides being a serious safe, it is fire-rated for 2.5 hours and will protect those contents much longer than it will take the neighborhood fire station to get up here and put the fire out. If not, that's unfortunate but at least everything in my apartment is insured for full value, including the safes!

I got rid of most of my guns because I had WAY too many of them and too much different-caliber ammo, so now I just have a few specially-chosen ones. I also didn't want to FILL my Liberty safe with guns, but rather just put the few (now) I have in it and have the rest of the space available for said other valuable items, especially when I leave town for a few days. This works well for me.

As mentioned earlier, the Sentry (G4211, non-fire rated) is basically used just as a giant "lock-box," but it IS a safe, not to be confused with a thin sheet-metal "gun-locker" (but even a gun-locker mounted to the wall or recessed INTO the wall between the studs will be lots better than what most people do: Putting guns loose in a closet...thieves know this, too). A gun safe has thicker metal walls and door than a gun locker has (gun lockers are similar to those lockers we used when we were in school for example).

I got the Sentry 4211 because I USED to just have all my ammo stored in those surplus military 30 and 50 caliber ammo cans, stacked in a closet and I wanted a BETTER way to secure it (too easy for thieves to pick up small easy-to-move cans with handles on them!). With the Sentry, said ammo cans fit very nicely inside -- they stack together well, use available space inside the safe very efficiently -- and I can get a LOT of them in there.

NOW they are not available for someone to pick up and run with.

Of course, the more full ammo cans in the Sentry the heavier it gets (even if it wasn't bolted-down it'd be harder to move). I also have some scrap lead and bags of lead shot (used for bullet-casting and shotshell reloading) in there as well to add even more weight. And being bolted to my 1000-pound liberty, the two make a pretty solid mass to move...IF it will even fit through a door that is. Bolting safes together -- as one large monolith if you will -- makes them physically larger and therefore harder to get though doors/windows...another thing to consider.

My point is, the more expensive (I could afford it at the time) fire-rated Liberty is for my more valuable objects -- especially those needing fire-protection -- and the cheaper non-fire-rated (didn't have the $$ for a 2nd serious fire-rated safe at the time) Sentry 4211 is for ammo, an "ammo-locker" if you will.

Another plus: The Sentry 4211 did not come with shelves -- except for one at the very top -- so it worked well for storing ammo cans stacked up in it...I didn't need to take out/not use any shelves that came with is as I would have if I wanted to use other safes that DO have lots of shelves/dividers in them (like the Liberty). Very efficient.

The other "lock-box" Sentry I have (first safe I ever got), the small 1.3 cubic foot non-fire-rated $80 one from Office Depot, is not being used now -- since I have the other two -- but it's a bit too big for putting in my SUV (but in a motorhome it'd be fine except for not being fire-rated), so I will be getting another even smaller safe soon just for the car...one large enough to get a laptop and 1-2 handguns into it.

-- John D.
 
Pinned, I wanted the safe for more than just my gun, but I wanted whatever I get to be okay to store my gun in. That's why I was looking at a smaller gun safe....bigger than a gun vault, but small enough for a gun and few folders, cds, etc.

Cloudcroft - no problem. :) I appreciate all the info.
 
That's why I was looking at a smaller gun safe....bigger than a gun vault, but small enough for a gun and few folders, cds,

I understood that. But even fireproof safes will not protect cds, floppys, etc. They even say that on the package. And a fireproof safe for paperwork will retain moisture which is bad for the gun.

So you could just get the safe for the papers, backup your computer data and store the info in separate locations, and keep the gun under your pillow.

:D
 
nuit5,

You're welcome.

Yes, firesafes may not be suitable for storing some items because during a serious fire, the temperature inside a firesafe is not supposed to exceed 350 degrees F, but that's still pretty hot.

It's okay for paper (documents) since its smolder/burn point is 100 degrees hotter.

I'm not sure about plastics, such as whatever type of plastic CDs are made from.

-- John D.




EDIT: PostScript...

nuit5,

You might want to go here (I just found this place) http://www.warrifles.com/forums/index.php
and check out the "Gun Safes & Vaults Talk" area of the WarRifles forum. In there, look for the thread entitled "Opinion on best gun safe for the buck?" ...there are 3 pages worth of posts.

You have to REGISTER with WarRifles before you can even read any posts though, but it's pretty easy to do.

Good luck,

-- John D.
 
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After I spent some serious change on my Liberty Presidential, I got the Sentry G4211 (14-gun safe) a bit later on because I came up with a better secure-storage plan for my needs.
My choice of safe was driven by a combination of cost, ability to bring it into my home, and available space.

I live in an apartment, and as much as I'd love a big safe with lots of shelves for the handguns which comprise most of my collection, a safe that can't be carried up the stairs, won't fit through the door, or is too big to be unobtrusive, wouldn't have done me much good.

The Sentry works pretty well for me. As I said, I'm considering another smaller one strictly for the small number of long guns I have. That'll allow me to properly store all of my handguns in the 14 gun. As it is, with the long guns in that safe now, I've had to resort to guns in rugs underneath the bungee cords, and even an M1911 hanging from one of the door hooks by a piece of twine through the triggerguard!
 
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