A snubby in the pocket and condition yellow awareness.

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WARNING: This is a long post and only tangentially gun-related. It does have to do with the need to carry and be aware of what is going around you – even in seemingly innocent and safe situations. It involves two incidents that happened to me yesterday:

I am waiting for delivery of a Mika Pocket Holster. Yesterday confirmed why I want one. I could have used it when I was playing with my 3-year-old grandson at my home - and at the park.

I don't carry IWB around family at home, especially with him because we hug and wrassle and play. I’m thinking a pocket holster would probably solve that problem. I’m thinking it’s time to for me to wake up and get out of condition white.

First: I had a pair of very hinky guys drive up my driveway in a refrigerated truck with painted-out logos and a company name still visible in one place on the truck. One of them got out and approached my tied-up dog. My wife (and dog) alerted me and I went out on the deck to ask him what he wanted. I have learned to pay attention to my creep-o-meter, and have discovered over the years that it is pretty damn accurate. The hairs on my neck (and my dog’s neck) were definitely raised.

He starts by asking me if my dog is a wolf (she is half wolf - but that's none of his business!). I asked him again what he wanted. He had some BS story about not finding my neighbors at home to receive a delivery, and did I want to buy some steaks - cheap? I sent him on his way and that was that. He looked like recent ex-inmate material and was apparently trying to involve me in some kind of crime scheme. Maybe just ripping off his employer - or maybe something else if the opportunity presented itself?

What really bothered me later about my own state of situational awareness (or lack thereof) was that I didn't even see the guy in the truck. I guess I was so focused on the guy in front of me. My wife had to point out to me (after the fact) that he was there. She said he was even creepier looking than the guy I talked to. I've got to remember to be more observant!

I called the company whose logo was on the truck. They said they sold off their trucks fitting that description and have had other complaints and mentions of their trucks out their trying to sell meat products “door-to-door”. Maybe they are legit – but it sure didn’t feel like it.

Later that day: I take my grandson and my dog to the park. Again, my dog is tied up while we play on the equipment.

I'm minding my own business when I hear a kid crying and screaming. I look and observe a very large man pushing a 3-year-old (?) in one of those heavy plastic harness swings. He is slapping on the front of the swing (against the kid’s chest) so hard he is grunting with the effort. The kid is flying way too high and crying louder and louder. The dope is yelling at him that he can’t push him any higher (?!) I never heard the kid say “Higher daddy, higher” and it was just STRANGE. The creep-o-meter is in the red-zone again. I watched for a few seconds and had my hand on my cell phone ready to call 911. Everyone else seemed to be looking the other way. Pretty quickly the guy’s wife (I assume) came over and lifted the little one out of the swing. As far as I could tell, she did not admonish the (assumed) father.

Then he comes over with an older child (maybe 7-years- old) to the equipment next to where my grandson was playing. That equipment has a kind of wobbly slatted bridge. The kid gets up on the wobbly bridge – and so does this oaf! This is children’s equipment and the guy is 6’2” – 250 lbs! His first move is to jump as hard as he can on the bridge sending his kid bouncing up in the air and crashing down into the steel support bars. The poor kid whimpers and looks at me as if he is wondering what I think about this. The jerk says to his kid, “You told me to bounce you.” Again, I didn’t hear the kid say that. At this point I spoke up and said “This equipment is for kids.” Nothing. Not so much as a look in my direction. I repeat myself even louder. Nothing. Then the wife comes over and things settle down a little. I decide to take my grandson to a different piece of equipment, but continue to keep on eye on this creep for a while.

I relate this second story because, for the second time in one day, I should have had a snubby in my pocket in case things had gotten out of hand. Don’t get me wrong - I’m not advocating shooting delivery men or dads playing with their kids at the park. But both incidents were unavoidable, felt “wrong”, and could have gone real wrong pretty quickly.

From now on, at home or out and about: A snubby in the pocket and condition yellow awareness.

And once again, the choir said, "Amen".
 
I carry a 642 in a Galco pocket holster when I'm not carrying my Sig 229 or my Glock 22. I've got a set of CT laser grips on it and with a couple of Safariland speed loaders in another pocket it makes a nice little package. I'm sure you'll find a snubby in a pocket holster convenient.

As for the problems you described, the first one with the guys in the truck could have gone south pretty quickly but I would say that you would be more justified in escalating (to get them off your property) than in the second case with the doofus at the playground. One thing that might have come in handy in that case would be a small can of OC, think pocket clip or keychain size. There's a couple reasons I say that: 1) the guy might have responded to your comments in a way that didn't justify lethal force but could still get you hurt if you had to go hands on and 2) being out with your dog in public can mean defending her from other dogs, something that might be difficult to do with your grandson along.

OC would generally be taken as being a de-escalation in the one case and is certainly a better alternative than having to shoot another dog in the other case. As always, OC needs to be backed up with a firearm, but it gives you an alternative in situations where a firearm isn't quite the right tool. Just something for you to consider.

The condition yellow awareness is something we should always practice, even if we don't quite have it 100% of the time. ;)
 
A goodly number of places have DeSantis Nemesis or Uncle Mike's pocket holsters in stock, and even if you have to 'net-order one, it should be there in a couple of days from a fast-shippng supplier like Midway. There's no need to wait to pocket carry in a decent holster, and no pocket rocket should ever have to go naked. An extra pocket holster should not be a problem.

We just got back from spending spring break in Alabama- a 12-hour drive this time. I spent the whole week with a 642 with CT grips in a DeSantis in my hip pocket, as is my usual habit. Two Safariland speedloaders in my right front pocket gave me a total of 15 rounds of CorBon DPX at hand.

We stopped for dinner at a Maurice's BBQ restaurant just this side of Columbia, SC on the way back. When we were paying our bill, the cashier told us they'd been robbed at gunpoint two nights before. That news made the 642 in my pocket and the P3AT in my wife's pocket much less burdensome.

Unless you can manage to schedule your emergencies, the only way to have a gun when you need one is to carry one all the time...

Stay safe,

lpl/nc
 
I carry a 642 in a Galco pocket holster. I've got a set of CT laser grips on it and with a couple of Safariland speed loaders in another pocket it makes a nice little package.

I spent the whole week with a 642 with CT grips in a DeSantis in my hip pocket, as is my usual habit. Two Safariland speedloaders in my right front pocket.

I'm noting a trend here. Actually I've been lurking in the 642 Club thread and am just about ready to buy one with CT. I currently carry a 1979 Chief's Special IWB (except in the kind of situations I described) with a SafariLand in my pocket.

sacp81170a - Your suggestion for OC is a good one, especially for dog-walking with my grandson. I think less so for the doofus in the park. Had he violently objected to my comments, I would have no qualms about drawing and, if he did not stop, firing.

I only resist Lee's suggestion to order another holster because Chief Mika has indicated he will be getting mine out to me any day now. [see thread: "Word about Mika's Pocket Holsters From The Man Himself"]
 
The first one I can easily see having a gun at my side. That's why I keep a paddle holster near by the door.

The second one is where you USE YOUR CELL PHONE. There was sufficient reason to call the police but not sufficient for you to physically intervene. It's easy to apologize for being a 'quick draw" with your cell phone, if you happened to be wrong (doesn't sound like it would have been).
 
The second one is where you USE YOUR CELL PHONE. There was sufficient reason to call the police but not sufficient for you to physically intervene.

Agreed Pat...I was ready to phone before mom stepped in and settled things down a little. I would not have physically intervened unless his behavior escalated significantly and there was no time to lose in preventing real harm to one of the children. As has been said a million times: "When seconds count...etc."

From what I witnessed, I shudder to think what goes on in that home behind closed doors.
 
I carry a 642 in a Galco pocket holster. I've got a set of CT laser grips on it and with a couple of Safariland speed loaders in another pocket it makes a nice little package.


I spent the whole week with a 642 with CT grips in a DeSantis in my hip pocket, as is my usual habit. Two Safariland speedloaders in my right front pocket.

I'm noting a trend here. Actually I've been lurking in the 642 Club thread and am just about ready to buy one with CT. I currently carry a 1979 Chief's Special IWB (except in the kind of situations I described) with a SafariLand in my pocket.

Well, you know what they say, "Great minds think alike..." :cool:
 
The 642 is always in my pocket in and out of the house either in a MIKA rig or an Uncle Mikes. Two HKS speedloaders are in another pocket at all times too. This is my second line of defense. Condition yellow is the first.
 
The battle between Awareness & Complacency is never-ending. ;)

Vigilance can become tiring and distracting ...

However ...

Unawareness and complacency can be hazardous to your health, as well as the health and well-being of loved ones in your immediate area of influence and care ...

Striving to achieve a balanced compromise which permits the daily enjoyment of life, while still remaining alert to life's seemingly diverse and ever-present dangers, is something which reasonably seems to require a lifetime of practice ... unless it's cut short if someone 'fails' one of the innumerable pop-quizzes and practical tests which can come our way unannounced.

Don't have 'the answer' ...

Still working on it myself. ;)

Paying attention to prickly skin and hunches, of the sort which have been carefully honed by successful personal experience over the years, seems to be a useful survival trait upon occasion.

I have 3 Uncle Mike's Sidekick #3 pocket holsters available for my different J-frames ... (and a couple of the #4's for suitably sized 9mm/.40 S&W pistols) ... so there's always one available for one of my smaller off-duty guns (or a couple of them, upon occasion).

Awareness and avoidance is always preferable. Fighting should always be a last resort.

Doesn't mean we'll always have that option, though.

I just became a grandfather for the first time.

I've decided I want to be around for great grandchildren.

I would opine that becoming long in the tooth doesn't have to mean becoming short on awareness, either.
 
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