A teacher raised an interesting statement today...

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Self-defense is reactive, i.e. nothing happens until you are threatened, YOU are the victim.

Murder is proactive, somebody else is the victim. The 'teacher' has poo for brains.
 
The only way the teacher's point even makes a smidgen of sense is:

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Lets say you go to a biker bar and some big biker dude in there says he doesn't like you and if you ever show your face in there again he will bludgeon you with an axe handle. Exit stage left. Ok, so you, never having carried a gun before, procure a weapon and go back to that very same bar. You sit down and order a drink. The big biker dude is there as predicted and commences to pull out the aforementioned axe handle. You obligingly pull out your gun and ventilate the guy.....
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premeditated self-defence or just plain looking for trouble? :rolleyes:

Other than that, the teacher sounds like a real tool.
 
If you are wanting to vent, dont do it in front of your teacher. Do it here, we are here for you. I had to take a religion class in college and whenever I disagreed with the professor, I spoke with him in private during the break and let him know that I respectfully disagreed with his doctrine. I still pulled an A out of the class.
 
[iffy scenario]
Lets say you go to a biker bar and some big biker dude in there says he doesn't like you and if you ever show your face in there again he will bludgeon you with an axe handle. Exit stage left. Ok, so you, never having carried a gun before, procure a weapon and go back to that very same bar. You sit down and order a drink. The big biker dude is there as predicted and commences to pull out the aforementioned axe handle. You obligingly pull out your gun and ventilate the guy.....
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You might want to point out to the mor..err... teacher, that possession and concealment of a firearm is not only illegal in a bar, but also VERY illegal while consuming alcoholic beverages.

You might also point out that RESPONSIBLE firearm owners would never do something such as that because it is asking for trouble, illegal in many ways, and just plain stupid. Such activities do not bode well for retaining ownership rights of guns and your life or the virginity of your backside in prison :uhoh: :eek: . (Sorry, but there was no real nice way to say that.:eek: )
 
Sounds like the guy has some real mental problems. I had several like that, about thirty years ago, when I was in college. They just keep breeding
 
It is not premeditated because their is no "who" in the owning of a gun for self defense. I.E. "If Mr. BG walks in and I defend myself and family...." vs. "When my brother-in-law,neighbor, etc. walks through that door...." Also murder is not self-defense. Murder is the willful killing of someone. Self-defense is not even necessarily fatal. I can defend my daughter from an angry dog by OC pepper spray and not kill the dog. Ask him what the difference is between justified homicide and criminal/ non-justified homicide.
 
natedog, please update us.

I'm interested to know what his point was in saying this. What was the context? What topic were you guys discussing when this came up?

That said, here are my thoughts:

Your, um, "teacher," is dead wrong. The way I see it, if I attack natedog and natedog shoots me to protect his life, I essentially FORCED nate to shoot me.

(Let's assume I'm armed with a club or knife.)

When I made the choice to attack you with a deadly weapon, I forced two choices upon you; fight back and live, or do nothing and die or be seriously injured or maimed.

Since I initiated the attack, the responsibility lies on ME. I'd love to hear your professor try to blame someone for defending their own life.

Your "teacher" is blaming the victim for the crime. He probably also believes that women attract rape and deserve it by wearing revealing, "too sexy" clothes.

There is NEVER any excuse for crime.

If this idiot doesn't want to take another life to save his own, that's his own business, and frankly, the students at his school would be MUCH better off without him.

But don't dare try to force those views on me.
 
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