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A visit to CMP North

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  1. 1911 guy

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    The backstory:
    My son (15 yo) is an avid WWII amateur historian and has been seriously hankering for a Garand for some time. Well over a year, which is a long time for a kid. We're going to Port Clinton for a walleye charter in July and our motel is a mere 15 minutes from the CMP store. He's got a bout $600 saved up l'm willing to chip in more to get him a nice rifle.

    Which brings me to the question:
    They are showing service grade for $750 and "CMP Special" complete refurbished for &1050. Is there a reason to avoid the refurbished rifle? I want him to have something that will last and be serviceable his whole life.
     
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  2. HankC

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    CMP North did not stock many Garands when I went there 2 years ago. 1st trip I came back empty handed but an air rifle, 2nd trip I checked CMP North Store Forum knowing they had a new delivery and went. Inventory went fast. I don't recall seeing "Special Grade", not many service grade either.
     
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  3. hps1

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    From what I see, they are backlogged due to CV-19 shutdown and it looks like only Field Grade rifles are even listed:

    Might want to contact CMP and see exactly what status will be when you plan to be there to avoid disappointment as Hank, said.
    https://thecmp.org/contacts/

    Regards,
    hps
     
  4. brunowbe

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    Make sure you follow all of their ridiculous rules for your purchase (belonging to an approved gun club, having “proof” of marksmanship/being able to shoot, etc.). If you are LEO, CCW, or a veteran some of it won’t apply.
     
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  5. 1911 guy

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    Thank you. I'll email and call. I understand it's by appointment only due to corona, anyway. Thanks for the heads up about inventory.
     
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  6. troy fairweather

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    I'll be getting a air rifle from them soon.
     
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  7. Terry G

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    I got two nice ones from them. I don't recall anyone saying they were not satisfied. IMG_0551.JPG
     
  8. hps1

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    Back to original question^^^, the service grade stock may be pretty rough and barrel is "good", as a shooter, I believe I'd go for the CMP Special if available. The new barrel and (aftermarket) replacement stock alone sell for about $350 @ CMP and it looks like they apparently refinish any worn parts on the Special grade. Either grade rifle will not have any special "collector" value so replacement parts would not detract from that standpoint.

    The ability to look over the different grades before choosing would be a real plus. Hope it works out for your trip and your son gets a great rifle to enjoy the rest of his life.

    Regards,
    hps
     
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    Keep in mind Garands cant digest a steady diet of commercial hunting ammo without damage to the op rod. Shooting commercial ammo requires modifcations to the gas system such as a ported or vented gas plug.
     
  11. 1911 guy

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    I am aware of that, but thank you for the reminder. I'm looking for both commercially available M2 and handload data. It looks like Privi Partisan and Federal have new M2 loads.
     
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  12. hps1

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    I may be missing something????? From link above^^vv
    I've shot thousands of rounds of 47 grains H4895 behind a 150 gr. SMK very closely duplicates M2 ball and same charge behind 168 gr. SMK closely duplicates M72 Match issued for use in the M1 Garand and perfectly safe port pressure in these two M1's.
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    Top rifle was purchased from DCM when they were $98 before they were selling all the different grades. Standard grade but after accurizing per the NRA bulletin, shoots like the NM I was issued on AMU. It shot these two 5 shot groups after mounting 3x scope w/125 gr. NBT's.
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    Top group measured .665" @ 100 yards (off sandbags). Did I mention that I agree w/Gen Patton's evaluation of the M1? :)

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    My youngest son was also a student of WWII when he was 15. I ordered two rack grade Garands, one for him and one for me to feed that interest.

    The rifles we received were nearly identical: both Springfields, 1952 manufacturing dates for receivers and barrels, no detectable muzzle or throat erosion, pristine parkerizing, and some of the nastiest wood I'd ever seen. His was the younger of the two.

    We had a great time together cleaning up and refinishing those stocks, and then shooting the finished rifles. Of course, we shot for scores. His were ever so slightly better than mine, something that made him puff out his chest a bit.

    Those were great times!

    Enjoy your time together with your son with that special rifle.
     
  15. cfullgraf

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    It has been a while since I looked at the rifles that CMP are offering but the field grades can be rough and need a little TLC to make them look good. They should be good shooters.

    The couple field grades that I bought a decade ago had stocks that were in fairly poor shape. I did keep the USGI stocks but I ended up buying new stocks for them. Also, there can be a fair amount of wear in the parkerizing.

    The Special grade rifles are about as new a Garand as you can get these days but the stock and barrel are current commercial production, not USGI. Some folks do not like that feeling that the Special grades are not "original". But, the Special grades are excellent shooters and look good.

    I tend to shoot my Special grade rifle more than the other Garands that I have.

    If you can swing the bucks, I'd get the Special grade. If you can be at one of the stores and they have a reasonable inventory of Field grades, you could possibly cherry pick a nice one.

    Good luck with your quest and I hope your son enjoys an M1 Garand.
     
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  16. rabid wombat

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    @1911 guy

    congrats! Celebrate the effort and knowledge.

    I have dealt with the CMP and the North Store for a bit. I started at the tail end of the 1917 and 1903’s. I can kick myself for a lot I did not buy. My fault. They are gun people. Follow their rules (a lot are law), they will help. For a shooter, go the special. Unless you will spend auction money for a higher end or correct, buy a piece of history and enjoy.

    I have bought five M1. Three various grade (prepare to be disappointed if you read the CMP forum). Nothing I would send back. Two of the five, I had tricked. One to a known gunsmith, for an upgrade to the ultimate Garand match rifle...all legal, but the best it could be. Another done by the CMP smiths to make a “sniper” rifle. The sniper would be a lot more fun if I was right handed :rofl: They are all a piece of history....

    Enjoy

    Share both the history and time with your son...


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  17. DukeConnor

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    the link is to a store report from a member of the cmp forums who visited the store on 6/20.

    not sure what you missed.
     
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    Two rifles acquired from the DCM/CMP many years ago. Both are 1943.
    M1903A3 (top) is a Remington. The M1 is Springfield MA refurbished in 1947.
     
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  19. hps1

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    That's the trouble with the internet, once its posted, its there forever. My search for DCM, (same link as yours) turned up the statement I quoted which indicated very restricted inventory due to CV-19. Also shows all but one grade M1's are sold out (below). Obviously, that is no longer the case based on cmp forum member's post. Thanks for the timely update.:thumbup:

    @P5 Guy, that's a beautiful pair of rifles!

    Regards,
    hps
     
  20. Mars5l

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    Is there a listing for all this? I really want a Garand and if I was ever close enough to a CMP store id want to stop in and hand pick my own.
     
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    My opinion on this question is that if you want a shooter get the special, but if you are history oriented, I'd get a service grade. Reason being that the specials have many new parts other than the receiver. A special "should" be made up of actual GI parts and carries the history behind them.

    I've gotten both and that's just my opinion. My most recent was a HRA Field grade that carries many scars on the stock and a hand painted rack number. It actually shoots decently and there is no doubt it could tell an interesting story if it could only talk!
     
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    Building on what @Laphroaig says, if you want old wood - ask. It is not a guarantee, but the staff may be aable to help....

    from the CMP site on service grades “Wood may be of new production but may be used and show signs of wear on Service Grade Garands”
     
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    I've ordered a few and had them shipped to my house, I live about 1hr from the south store but when I ordered mine they were tax free, I like my HRAs they seem to have darker/deeper looking parkerizing, the GI stocks will need to be cleaned dents steamed and re-oiled. They have good prices on enblocs and bayonets
     
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  25. troy fairweather

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    My daisy 853 got here in less then 48 hours, and looks great.
     
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