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"Uh, we meant to do that." 
Accidental SWAT shooting
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AmbulanceDriver
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As the LawDog says,
"Keep your booger hook off the bang switch."
"Keep your booger hook off the bang switch."
Ditchtiger
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before this rare accident
South of town a Swat sniper pegged one of their own last year, the guy lived. Before that, a couple years back, maybe 5, a flashbang was dropped during a raid. Officer picks it up and it goes off in his hand. His partner steps up to the door and tries to shoot the lock off. When the flashbang went off the homeowner is going to door to see what is happening and gets shot in the foot when a bullet goes through the door,( the foot sems to be a popular target in Eugene). After the sideshow is over it turns out to be, this is the good part, WRONG HOUSE.
South of town a Swat sniper pegged one of their own last year, the guy lived. Before that, a couple years back, maybe 5, a flashbang was dropped during a raid. Officer picks it up and it goes off in his hand. His partner steps up to the door and tries to shoot the lock off. When the flashbang went off the homeowner is going to door to see what is happening and gets shot in the foot when a bullet goes through the door,( the foot sems to be a popular target in Eugene). After the sideshow is over it turns out to be, this is the good part, WRONG HOUSE.
Maybe it would be easier to train for "Fence scaling" with the finger off of the trigger. However, with a three man team with the city of Eugene, One holds the target and waits on the other side of the fence , Two clicks of the safety on the hot weapon and gets ready to climb, and the Third looks to make sure there is no press around! Ready.........Go!, Oops, missed again.
DRZinn
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Friendly fire, as I understand it, is when you shoot someone on your own side by mistake, i.e. you meant to shoot, but you thought it was someone else.
If you're as highly trained as these guys supposedly are, there is not necessarily (depends on the fence) a need to hand your weapon to anyone else to cross a fence. There is, however, a need to keep it on safe with your finger off the trigger and watch where it's pointed.
If you're as highly trained as these guys supposedly are, there is not necessarily (depends on the fence) a need to hand your weapon to anyone else to cross a fence. There is, however, a need to keep it on safe with your finger off the trigger and watch where it's pointed.
carebear
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Doc,
I'd put it differently; if you're that highly trained, and the scene is secure, there's no reason NOT to cross a fence in the safest means available. They weren't in a hurry and doing it right (and most safely) doesn't really take any more time anyway.
Save the tactical stuff with loaded weapons for designated training or actual missions. Pop the sling, hand off the rifle, cross the fence that much less encumbered, retrieve weapon, repeat for rest of team.
Of course I'd love to hear why they thought it necessary to climb a fence rather than walk out a gate in the first place. My cynicism says it's laziness because their truck was on the street on the other side and they didn't want to have to walk around the block.
I'd put it differently; if you're that highly trained, and the scene is secure, there's no reason NOT to cross a fence in the safest means available. They weren't in a hurry and doing it right (and most safely) doesn't really take any more time anyway.
Save the tactical stuff with loaded weapons for designated training or actual missions. Pop the sling, hand off the rifle, cross the fence that much less encumbered, retrieve weapon, repeat for rest of team.
Of course I'd love to hear why they thought it necessary to climb a fence rather than walk out a gate in the first place. My cynicism says it's laziness because their truck was on the street on the other side and they didn't want to have to walk around the block.
I noticed this all happened on or near Barger Drive. Ditchtiger, was that street named for Sonny Barger? If so, that explains a lot.
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I would too
However I need a little more information. Unless I missed something I don't even know if there was a gate there. Or if there was a gate was it chained and locked? This is a fairly common bad guy practice. And what kind of fence was it anyway? Of course I wasn't there but it seems with all the crap a swat guy wears, ie vest, helmet, side arm,, ammo, gloves, boots ,rifles ,gas, knives, cuffs and God knows what else, looks like it would be a lot easier to walk around than try to climb a fence. Of course if there wasn't any other way out and the vice guys didn't want three more different guys walking around in the crime scene, the exit choices start to be quite limited.
Monday morning quarterbacking is pretty tough even when you have all the facts. It's almost useless when you don't know much of anything.
The bottom line is if the weapon didn't mal function, mal functions being extremely rare, then somebody goofed. A goof is a goof. The goofs seriousness does not decrease or increase based on the results.
However I need a little more information. Unless I missed something I don't even know if there was a gate there. Or if there was a gate was it chained and locked? This is a fairly common bad guy practice. And what kind of fence was it anyway? Of course I wasn't there but it seems with all the crap a swat guy wears, ie vest, helmet, side arm,, ammo, gloves, boots ,rifles ,gas, knives, cuffs and God knows what else, looks like it would be a lot easier to walk around than try to climb a fence. Of course if there wasn't any other way out and the vice guys didn't want three more different guys walking around in the crime scene, the exit choices start to be quite limited.
Monday morning quarterbacking is pretty tough even when you have all the facts. It's almost useless when you don't know much of anything.
The bottom line is if the weapon didn't mal function, mal functions being extremely rare, then somebody goofed. A goof is a goof. The goofs seriousness does not decrease or increase based on the results.
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